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Post by Sneelock on Jun 12, 2019 19:22:44 GMT
I'm planning to watch it on NETFLIX tonight. Here's what I'm thinking about before I watch it. 
I don't know why I'm so jazzed to see it. I really like the "official bootleg" of the tour. I remember "Renaldo & Clara" dropping like a lead balloon. I've looked at parts of it on YouTube but it seems like "home movies" is a pretty fair assessment.
good points: there's something about his presentation that gets me. His vocals seem really extra good on this tour. His songs are recognizable even when the arrangements are pretty different. there's certainly some pretension and self importance going on (especially if you try to slog through R&C) but I get a real sense of purpose. now, maybe it's just showbiz. maybe Bob just needed something to do but "desire" was still in the can, right? he's in a very interesting place to me. I remember a Playboy magazine interview he did around the time of these shows and he was somewhat less of a reticent prick than usual. he seemed like an interesting guy trying to get comfortable in his own skin & with all his cultural baggage. It seems like maybe this tour was taking a lot of that bull by the horns. what did it mean to "be Bob Dylan"?
bad points: sharon stone? martin von hasselberg? maybe fake-o interviews will add to the thing but I'd say they sound pretty dumb.
also, judging by the trailer Zimmer-Man might be back to being a reticent prick.
I can't wait to watch it but I'm not sure why. maybe this is something old people do. I want to bring back a part of myself that cared about this stuff. you know, seeing him with the mime make-up and the flowery hat - it hit me. it's never really hit me before. at the time I thought it all looked pretty dumb. I guess something happened to ME between then & now.
anyone else looking forward to it?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 12, 2019 19:40:51 GMT
YES! absolutely. I might not be so keen if Scorsese wasn't involved. Hopefully he'll rein in all the indulgent stuff.
I'll report back later (although I don't think I'll make it through the whole thing tonight).
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 12, 2019 19:45:17 GMT
2 and a half hours!
I hope there’s a lot of interview stuff wth Sam Shepard.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 12, 2019 22:59:21 GMT
Patti and Ginsberg were utter, UTTER shit.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 12, 2019 23:04:20 GMT
say that again and I'll thrash you within an inch of your life with my finger cymbals.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 12, 2019 23:15:24 GMT
You didn't think?
I'm halfway through. It's good stuff, could have done with some editing. Nice to see the old man himself open up a bit.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 12, 2019 23:57:50 GMT
haven't started yet. just kidding about A.G.
I don't even rate "Howl" all that much let alone that hippy-dippy shit.
still, he was a one of a kind original - you've got to give him that.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 12, 2019 23:59:28 GMT
although, he'd probably be having Kevin Spacey sized problems if he was still around.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 13, 2019 11:51:09 GMT
I thought he'd been written out of history, pretty much. Obviously not, on this evidence!
SPOILERS
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Dylan really was treated like a god, wasn't he? insane the way they were pushing and shoving just to get close enough to touch the hem of his garment. People dressing up as him just to get a taste of his fame. Sharon Stone still in tears TODAY thinking about how he looked at her while singing 'Just Like A Woman'.
The songs....if you like The Last Waltz, they're that same kind of drawn-out, wheezing choral bluster. Sometimes stirring, more often tiresome. I was happier watching the off-stage, private stuff.
I'd forgotten about Mick Ronson! (and I think Bob did, too!)
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 13, 2019 12:38:51 GMT
I watched about 45 minutes last night before band practice and it certainly looks interesting. The music is, well, it's that era of Dylan: ramshackle and wheezy with barely a hint of a groove in sight, but it's great to see them all up there on stage. I'd forgotten about Ronson, too, until the first shot of him from the back of the stage - his hairstyle is totally recognizable. Looking forward to catching the rest whenever I can...
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 13, 2019 17:38:58 GMT
Ronson's solo on "Isis" is RAD.
I liked it more or less. I suppose I'd give it three out of a possible five knitted mufflers.
Bad POINT: Bullshit. there is way too much bullshit in this for me to bear. Sharon Stone is full of shit, Michael Murphy is full of shit. SPOILER AlERT: Dylan himself is frequently full of shit.
Good Point: Dylan is not always full of shit and sometimes it's hard to tell if he's full of shit or not. I like that about him. His warm and well chosen words for Ginsberg were especially candid... or were they?
Good Point: Almost every Dylan performance is ACE. he is fucking engaged. sometimes he's got fire in his eyes. he's thinking about the lyrics as he sings them. the camera is right up in his face a lot of the time. My fondest hope for the movie was that good performances would be on display. Holy Crap!
Bad Point: I REALLY hate this version of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" with McGuin looking all moon-faced at an extra snarly Bob Dylan. the film makers seem to think this exchange is noteworthy - I think it's a punishment. ICK! McGuinn plays some real nice 12 string and that's all the good I have to say about it. this is presented near the end of the film like it's a big finish or something.
Good Point: JONI FUCKING MITCHELL!!! that clip of her doing "Coyote" is simply de-voone. she's the real deal, man. she only played the songs she wanted to play. good for her.
Bad Point: yeah that Patti Smith stuff is pretty hard to take but not as bad as the fake-o interviews. I frankly don't see the point of all that. certainly the source material provided enough B.S. all by itself.
bottom line: Marty Baby DID catch enough of the America that this was taking place in that it's good time capsule stuff. I can do without all the "blurring the lines between fantasy and reality" horse shit I've read some critics PLOTZING over. still, there's a lot there. That scene with him singing to the Native Americans is pretty ace.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 13, 2019 19:27:28 GMT
Good Point: Almost every Dylan performance is ACE. he is fucking engaged. sometimes he's got fire in his eyes. he's thinking about the lyrics as he sings them. the camera is right up in his face a lot of the time. My fondest hope for the movie is that good performances would be on display. Holy Crap! Ah, yeah. You've got to like that stuff in the first place, of course. To me it's anti-music. I agree with you about the time-capsule aspect. What's the deal with Bob these days anyway? Remember when he almost died over 20 years ago? it was serious stuff! then he came out with Time Out Of Mind and everybody went nuts. He seemed OK in this, with his rust-coloured face powder and badly-dyed hair. Good for 77. |
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 13, 2019 19:31:00 GMT
78, even!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 13, 2019 19:36:50 GMT
oh, and I really liked whatserface who played the fiddle/violin. She was very cool and sweet. Interesting BD seemed to give her quite a bit of free reign. She was essential to stuff like 'Isis' and 'Hurricane'. Fucking weird mix of people in that band, THO'!
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jun 15, 2019 0:47:27 GMT
I’m such a sucker for this period of Dylan’s work.
He was never a guy who had the slightest bit of generosity to his audience. He’s a carnival barker, and he’s seemingly happiest when he’s put one over on the rubes and laughing about it backstage with his asshole friends. And Rolling Thunder allowed him 24/7 asshole friends. He was like a pig in shit, putting off his thing with the zeal of a faith healer.
Bowie was never half as fascinating!
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