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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 6, 2019 16:34:46 GMT
I might write more later. I don't know that it's worth it. You've chosen your battles. Fair enough.
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Post by tory on Nov 6, 2019 16:56:21 GMT
You won’t because you don’t. We’ll be lucky to get a paragraph.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 6, 2019 17:02:14 GMT
maybe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 17:31:17 GMT
You won’t because you don’t. We’ll be lucky to get a paragraph. Is there anything he could write that would make you reconsider or modify your views just a little bit...? Probably not. *
* Not a dig at you btw. It's true of most of us when it comes to politics.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 6, 2019 17:35:36 GMT
Especially when those views are apparently entrenched - as is certainly the case with a few people here.
I don't see the point in writing long paragraphs about politics, particularly, unless it's on a very specific issue. I HAVE written a fair bit about Corbyn and the Labour Party over the last couple of years - and it's a waste of energy, really. That's not putting anybody down, but it's an explanation for my inarticulacy on this thread.
People have 'pet issues' like they have 'pet bands' - it's easier and more fun to talk about the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 18:22:15 GMT
This place is only for the strong-stomached at election time. *goes off to carry on rereading The Name Of The Rose*
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Post by tory on Nov 6, 2019 18:33:15 GMT
What I would like to see is a reasoned view on why people vote Tory or are right wing that doesn't couch it in the "oh they're racist / sexist / selfish cunts" argument.
I see so little of that from anyone on the left that it has sort of eradicated any faith I had in people from that persuasion being able to engage in arguments without resorting to that sort of thing.
I appreciate why people vote for and support left-wing causes. I don't agree with them and reserve the right to counter their views. What I rarely see is an understanding from the left on why people vote differently.
I was at my teacher training today and the chat turned political due to the election. The word Tory got chucked about like a pejorative and I stayed quiet because I didn't want to cause an argument. Now I appreciate that scene might also get reversed politically in another scenario too, but it is indicative of the lack of tolerance that people have for other political views as a rule that I find so depressing.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 6, 2019 18:35:58 GMT
Coan is the C of political threads
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 6, 2019 18:36:10 GMT
Robust tubs Jezza!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 6, 2019 18:52:07 GMT
What I would like to see is a reasoned view on why people vote Tory or are right wing that doesn't couch it in the "oh they're racist / sexist / selfish cunts" argument. I see so little of that from anyone on the left that it has sort of eradicated any faith I had in people from that persuasion being able to engage in arguments without resorting to that sort of thing. Identity. You need to crush that shit, dispose of it and reboot your brain. And also ditch the moralising (that aspect of the left is increasingly nauseating and, frankly, self defeating) One thing I've tried to do over the last few years is to try and understand the right more. Partly to try and understand the world at the moment but also to understand people more in general because I'd felt I'd become too far removed from them. I lived in a bubble and that's not good. Obviously I have issues with lots of things on the left and gradually over the last decade I have drifted away but at some point I also had to face up to my own bullshit and prejudice and myopic thinking when it comes to politics. I initially supported Corbyn ffs but it was done out of my total ignorance and my bias towards the left. That warped my brain and I had to face up to it. Just from an intellectual point of view it was stunting me. It's why I'm not too judgemental towards supporters because I can understand where they are coming from in some ways but it doesn't make their loyalty and rationalisations for his flaws etc any less problematic (certainly very human though). It's like leaving a cult but until you leave the cult you won't see the cult for what it actually is. Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit but it feels like that. It's also why I think I have a degree of insight because I recognise the thought processes and the bullshit of left wingers. Because that was me sometimes. Which probably makes me sound like a right smart arse but there you go. I'm just being honest.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 6, 2019 18:54:50 GMT
This place is only for the strong-stomached at election time. *goes off to carry on rereading The Name Of The Rose* Why though? Genuine question.
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Post by Sneelock on Nov 6, 2019 18:57:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 19:03:26 GMT
I don't find either you or Toby any different or more open minded than those on the left. You choose your sources to support your own views, it's called confirmation bias. I honestly don't know what you and Toby want from us, are we closed minded because we disagree with you? Neither can I be bothered writing a long post on why people vote Tory, what's the point of that?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 6, 2019 19:18:15 GMT
He wants reassurance.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 6, 2019 19:19:22 GMT
I don't find either you or Toby any different or more open minded than those on the left. You choose your sources to support your own views, it's called confirmation bias. I honestly don't know what you and Toby want from us, are we closed minded because we disagree with you? Neither can I be bothered writing a long post on why people vote Tory, what's the point of that? What are my views? Politically? What am I? You are close minded because you actually believe left wing people are smarter, more thoughtful and principled as you said recently. That is prejudice. You are close minded because you are still a socialist when the majority of the rest of us, including those on the left have understood the real world consequences of this outdated ideology and moved on long ago. Again, the real world contradicts your beliefs but your beliefs don't change. That's close minded.
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