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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 22:26:19 GMT
This. I don't think she has bad intentions, but I think her notion is based on a false premise - artists can certainly suggest interpretations, but they can't rewrite language - only society as a whole can do that. It's a social contract in which maybe writers have a bigger stake/more power, but it's arrogant to think that it wholly or primarily determines it. I love her to death, but in this particular case, she's full of shit. As a side comment, I would say that Lennon/Ono's use of it was perfectly justified. The shit women have to deal with is at least equivalent to what black people have to deal with. The eternal -- and original -- target of man's viciousness. I am going to sound like the most PC guy in the world here, but there are lots of denigrating terms for women you could use vs. appropriating another culture's. Even at the time the song was made. |
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Post by quaco on Nov 19, 2019 22:38:25 GMT
As a side comment, I would say that Lennon/Ono's use of it was perfectly justified. The shit women have to deal with is at least equivalent to what black people have to deal with. The eternal -- and original -- target of man's viciousness. I am going to sound like the most PC guy in the world here, but there are lots of denigrating terms for women you could use vs. appropriating another culture's. Even at the time the song was made. Fair enough. I feel the shock of using that word was necessary at a time when people were starting to talk about how enlightened we were becoming. "The Sexual Revolution" -- yeah, for men. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 23:10:52 GMT
I am going to sound like the most PC guy in the world here, but there are lots of denigrating terms for women you could use vs. appropriating another culture's. Even at the time the song was made. Fair enough. I feel the shock of using that word was necessary at a time when people were starting to talk about how enlightened we were becoming. "The Sexual Revolution" -- yeah, for men. I get what you were saying about the view of women in patriarchal cultures, and especially at the time it came out, during the time of civil and women's rights - I get what Lennon and Ono were equating, but it's such a loaded term regarding a specific population. I also think it could twisted in the role women play in African-American culture. They were using it to equate women with African-American men. I think it's a lazy analogy. Not thought through. Yes, I get it's a song and not a socio-political treatise, but I still think you have to think about it a little more when you throw it out there. I think my daughter's militancy is rubbing off on me. |
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