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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 19:20:28 GMT
Re: "I find that" -- "I" has no place in film/music criticism. You should be talking about the art. It's easy to tell one's own experience with it, but it's rarely of any interest or import. Re cliches in general -- It does seem that when people start to write a critique of something, they go into a certain mode. (I'm guilty of it too, I'm sure.) It's like when you crash into someone's car and you have to write down what happened, you immediately go into legal-speak: "I hereby state that I, James H. Mills, crashed into X's car on the date of 3rd September 2016, and I solemnly owe them the sum of ..." Does the H stand for Hubert?
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Post by tory on Nov 19, 2019 19:29:46 GMT
I think we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea here. There has never been a time when we've communicated so much as in the written format - at least not in a conversational style. I mean, many years ago people wrote postcards and letters to each other, but they were done in a style that was not anticipating a response in the immediate sense. You wrote something as if someone were not there, anticipating it.
Now we have message forums, texts, social media and emails, which all demand I think to a certain extent, a lack of finality in our statements, hence the resorting to conditional phrasing such as "Having said that" or whatever. We are writing in a way as we are in a conversation, when really we are not.
It is curious because it really felt like writing, at least in the traditional way, was really being phased out when the telephone came along and allowed conversations between people, but now most people are writing rather than talking to each other.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Nov 19, 2019 19:46:34 GMT
Now we have message forums, texts, social media and emails, which all demand I think to a certain extent, a lack of finality in our statements, hence the resorting to conditional phrasing such as "Having said that" or whatever. We are writing in a way as we are in a conversation, when really we are not. I know what you mean, but we always are. Paid writers talk about engaging in a dialogue with their readers. You have to think of your audience - it's there, and if you forget that, the writing becomes (even more) flat.
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Post by Cousin Lou on Nov 19, 2019 20:28:34 GMT
I think we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea here. There has never been a time when we've communicated so much as in the written format - at least not in a conversational style. I mean, many years ago people wrote postcards and letters to each other, but they were done in a style that was not anticipating a response in the immediate sense. You wrote something as if someone were not there, anticipating it. Now we have message forums, texts, social media and emails, which all demand I think to a certain extent, a lack of finality in our statements, hence the resorting to conditional phrasing such as "Having said that" or whatever. We are writing in a way as we are in a conversation, when really we are not. It is curious because it really felt like writing, at least in the traditional way, was really being phased out when the telephone came along and allowed conversations between people, but now most people are writing rather than talking to each other. That last bit is interesting. I was reading an article in the weekend on how, increasingly, it’s becoming seen as rude to just flat out call somebody.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Nov 19, 2019 20:32:52 GMT
It's rude unless it's urgent.
Estate agents ALWAYS call. I am sick of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 21:18:57 GMT
I think we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea here. There has never been a time when we've communicated so much as in the written format - at least not in a conversational style. I mean, many years ago people wrote postcards and letters to each other, but they were done in a style that was not anticipating a response in the immediate sense. You wrote something as if someone were not there, anticipating it. Now we have message forums, texts, social media and emails, which all demand I think to a certain extent, a lack of finality in our statements, hence the resorting to conditional phrasing such as "Having said that" or whatever. We are writing in a way as we are in a conversation, when really we are not. It is curious because it really felt like writing, at least in the traditional way, was really being phased out when the telephone came along and allowed conversations between people, but now most people are writing rather than talking to each other. That last bit is interesting. I was reading an article in the weekend on how, increasingly, it’s becoming seen as rude to just flat out call somebody. My kids tell me that. They all prefer a text. They also get angry when I'm in the car, see I got a text from them, and call them to tell them I'm driving. They always tell me I could've waited. I'm kinda flummoxed about this whole new communication thing - I think texts demand more of an immediate response or people wouldn't have tried to get a hold of me. But now I learn that communicating back is up to my own convenience when I want to text back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 21:25:32 GMT
I've only sent about 3 texts in my life
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Post by tory on Nov 19, 2019 21:32:26 GMT
Most of my communication with people is via WhatsApp or Signal nowadays. It seems to inhabit that territory where you can respond to some people without much immediacy. Amongst my friends there does seem to be an emergence of some consensus that it's ok not to respond straight away unless absolutely necessary.
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Post by Cousin Lou on Nov 20, 2019 17:06:58 GMT
It's rude unless it's urgent. Estate agents ALWAYS call. I am sick of it. It’s a bit shit if you’d have to make appointments for a spontaneous chat.
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