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Post by Crunchy Col on Nov 19, 2019 23:31:36 GMT
To my mind both very flawed bands, bands which today feel much smellier than most of their contemporaries, but bands who nonetheless put out some great songs. Which of these groups of scruffy urchins sound better to you in 2019? and what would you put forward to support your claim?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 0:05:19 GMT
30 years ago, I would've said The Damned, but I think the Stranglers have more good songs - their first greatest hits album is one of my favorites and reinvented themselves pretty nicely with Aural Sculpture.
If I want to listen to rude, but clever, guitar punk, it's the Damned though.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Nov 20, 2019 0:09:40 GMT
Regardless of those iconic Ramones T-shirts - punk's pretty much a forgotten genre among kids today, wouldn't you say?
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Post by loveless on Nov 20, 2019 1:41:22 GMT
Regardless of those iconic Ramones T-shirts - punk's pretty much a forgotten genre among kids today, wouldn't you say? I'm hardly the person to ask, but...yeah, I went to see the Damned and X about half a year ago and the audience was pure Jurassic Punk.
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Post by fonz on Nov 20, 2019 10:41:33 GMT
Damned every time.
Better songs. Some humour. More exciting.
Don’t get me wrong, there are some classic Stranglers tunes, but The Damned were/are more fun. Entertaining.
Not serious and miserable.
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Post by DarknessFish on Nov 20, 2019 16:49:49 GMT
I voted The Damned, and I've been meaning to justify that vote all day. But I've been struggling to find anything interesting to say about either band, which kinda sums 'em up. A handful of decent tunes between them, the best being "New Rose" and "Love Song". I always thought Dave Vanian looked like a good frontman, too.
But to even things up, here's The Damned being rubbish very recently, covering Bela Lugosi's Dead:
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Post by Crunchy Col on Nov 20, 2019 16:57:19 GMT
'No More Heroes' and 'Golden Brown' are both better than ANY Damned song.
Prove me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
Regardless of those iconic Ramones T-shirts - punk's pretty much a forgotten genre among kids today, wouldn't you say? I'm hardly the person to ask, but...yeah, I went to see the Damned and X about half a year ago and the audience was pure Jurassic Punk. I took my daughter and some friends to the Warped Tour around 6-8 years ago. They had an old school punk stage where I spent most of the day. There were some good elder statesmen punk bands there, but the only reason me and the 10-15 people stuck around was because the Lagunitas beer stand was close.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Nov 20, 2019 18:40:43 GMT
I like the Stranglers a bit more than I used to, but I've never thought much of them one way or another.
The Damned are hit and miss for me, but their issues seem to be more "too many cooks" than anything else. They're kind of like the punk Beatles (or maybe Monkees if you prefer) in they are four very distinct personalities coming together for a common (though often very fragmented) cause.
There is nothing by the Stranglers that comes anywhere near the first or third Damned albums for me.
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Post by rayge on Nov 20, 2019 19:52:29 GMT
'No More Heroes' and 'Golden Brown' are both better than ANY Damned song. Prove me wrong. Opinions are never 'wrong', and there's no way to 'prove' them so. Both those two songs you mentioned have that wretched sneering junky jailbird 'singing' on them, which to me makes them inferior to just about anything the Damned recorded, certainly after Mr Sensible took over the leadership of the group. My opinion is certainly coloured by the fact that I saw the Strangs supporting the Patti Smith Group in 1976: I don't think I've ever been so alienated by a live group (well, maybe Yes in 1970 supporting Janis), and especially old Hugh. His delightful party trick of, ahem, climaxing a song by massaging his throat as if it were a dick, then spitting over the front rows, was at least a part of that. Later, my flatmate bought the Rattus Norvegeticus album, and I must admit I was quite charmed by Mr Greenfield's cheesy organ at times, but basically I thought they were an ugly band of musos with a nasty streak and a pensioner on drums scrabbling desperately at the coat-tails of punk. In my opinion.
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Post by DarknessFish on Nov 20, 2019 21:53:12 GMT
'No More Heroes' and 'Golden Brown' are both better than ANY Damned song. Prove me wrong. No More Heroes is such a lumpy, lifeless track, the vocals are abysmal, and it's as repetitive as Boris Johnson on a leadership debate. I do have a soft spot for Duchess though, "And the Rodneys are queuing up, God forbid" is a class lyrical flair. Always wondered if it influenced Only Fools and Horses.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Nov 20, 2019 21:57:45 GMT
'No More Heroes' and 'Golden Brown' are both better than ANY Damned song. Prove me wrong. No More Heroes is such a lumpy, lifeless track factually incorrect
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 23:56:16 GMT
Both very blokeish bands in retrospect. The Stranglers are a cut above for me. The bass lines are better and there's just more going on in the songs. Stuff like Get a Grip can still sound pretty exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 0:25:44 GMT
I've seen both live and the Damned were way better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 2:41:15 GMT
'No More Heroes' and 'Golden Brown' are both better than ANY Damned song. Prove me wrong. You're right. Early Damned has its strengths, but they're all a bit one note that rely chiefly on energy.
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