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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 20, 2019 17:10:57 GMT
Waits did 'Grapefruit Moon' and Springsteen did 'Rosalita' and for those songs alone they should never go hungry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 17:36:35 GMT
Waits did 'Grapefruit Moon' and Springsteen did 'Rosalita' and for those songs alone they should never go hungry. I like Rendezvou, as covered by Greg Kihn, and Fire by the Pointer Sisters better than those. I think I like them because the Boss isn't doing them.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Nov 20, 2019 18:21:21 GMT
DSOtM and beyond Floyd is the biggie for me. "State of the art" and all that, and Ezrin is pretty good at turning Jack Daniels into cognac, so I guess I sort of get it on some level. But Waters as any kind of genius? No, no, and no. My second favorite Floyd member ever is Wright, and we know how he was treated.
The Smiths too, but that doesn't mystify me as much.
Then there are all the bands I like mildly but don't understand how people can have so much invested in them. Like Human League and Echo and the Bunnymen.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 20, 2019 19:27:48 GMT
The Smiths too, but that doesn't mystify me as much. I like The Smiths a lot, but I've never been able to just dive in. I'm picking at the food. It's the same thing with Bowie. Overall I think he was heroic, but good God there are some things that make me want to throw up. Anyone consider themselves a fan of an artist, but with some serious reservations about some of their more well-liked records?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 19:31:42 GMT
The Smiths too, but that doesn't mystify me as much. I like The Smiths a lot, but I've never been able to just dive in. I'm picking at the food. It's the same thing with Bowie. Overall I think he was heroic, but good God there are some things that make me want to throw up. Anyone consider themselves a fan of an artist, but with some serious reservations about some of their more well-liked records? Bowie's like that with me too. I pick and choose with him.
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Post by nolamike on Nov 20, 2019 20:04:01 GMT
I like The Smiths a lot, but I've never been able to just dive in. I'm picking at the food. It's the same thing with Bowie. Overall I think he was heroic, but good God there are some things that make me want to throw up. Anyone consider themselves a fan of an artist, but with some serious reservations about some of their more well-liked records? Bowie's like that with me too. I pick and choose with him. Yeah, that's also me with Bowie. I think he was an incredibly interesting and thoughtful artist, who I think was (generally) a force for good in the world... but only a few of his records really do much for me.
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Post by quaco on Nov 21, 2019 3:34:47 GMT
Kinda agree about Tom Waits. At some point I realized I wasn't buying it.
Springsteen can be great, but it's pretty much all in the first three albums.
Smiths are a flavor I am not keen on. I like the music OK and I love the lyrics, but the whole just doesn't work for my ears.
As to whether there is a band I consider myself a fan of but still have major reservations about some of their bigger things -- yes, Queen probably. There's a firm cutoff after The Game -- everything after it, including some big hits, is garbage -- and even before that was some crap, but I am a rabid fan of their best work. Queen II through Day at the Races are all perfect albums.
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Post by nolamike on Nov 21, 2019 4:01:59 GMT
Kinda agree about Tom Waits. At some point I realized I wasn't buying it. Springsteen can be great, but it's pretty much all in the first three albums. Smiths are a flavor I am not keen on. I like the music OK and I love the lyrics, but the whole just doesn't work for my ears. As to whether there is a band I consider myself a fan of but still have major reservations about some of their bigger things -- yes, Queen probably. There's a firm cutoff after The Game -- everything after it, including some big hits, is garbage -- and even before that was some crap, but I am a rabid fan of their best work. Queen II through Day at the Races are all perfect albums. Funny, I was a Waits superfan for years and years. And... I still like his records, but I can't really remember the last time I put one one. It's been years, probably. I don't know if it's that he doesn't speak to me as he once did, or if maybe I find him schticky now, or what, but... I think I've lost some of that magic. Springsteen too. And the Smiths have never done it for me, at all.
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Post by mission on Nov 21, 2019 6:37:09 GMT
I hear you on Waits. I think he's a phase.
Led Zep are a phase.
The Doors are a phase for a certain kind of tepid adventurer.
I listened to Waits a lot when I was a young drunk. Same as The Pogues - fuck, I "saw" The Pogues on the night of my 21st birthday and walked out minus my glasses, my shirt and a shoe.
I can't listen to any of that sort of thing now. It soundtracked an era.
It's sentimental music - music for drunks and other sentimentally incontinent folk.
I am not a big one for "classic rock" but, interestingly, because I rejected it out-of-hand in my formative years, listening to a lot of "classic rock" is oftentimes a completely new experience and hearing hoary old pop songs from the seventies through my expensive headphones rather than on my dad's transistor radio is a whole other experience. There's whole swathes of those tunes, that I had assumed I knew inside out, which I in fact had no real idea of. Like seeing the individual leaves on trees for the first time, when they were previously just cartoon renderings; blobs of green, ideas of trees.
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Post by osgood on Nov 21, 2019 8:44:53 GMT
Joy Division The Smiths Talk Talk (specifically those two fucking records)
Then I can tolerate, but only in small doses Can PIL Tim Buckley
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Post by rayge on Nov 21, 2019 10:06:26 GMT
I take it you mean those considered 'major artists' by those on this board, there's no point on going on about Celine Dion, say, or Mariah Carey. Or Bryan Adams. And I guess by 'not like' you mean actively dislike, rather than being completely indifferent to, otherwise I'm going to be forced to drone on and on about people like Bowie, Elton, the Beatles, the Pretty Things, the Hollies, etc. Otherwise, people I've already kvetched about more than once: Led Zeppelin, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Nick Drake (major in this company), ELP, Jethro Tull, Caravan, waters/Gilmour Think Void, Stevie Winwood (after Spencer Davis group especially), Cilla Black, Pat Boone, Miles Davis (mostly), Stevie Wonder (after mid-sixties), Marvin Gaye (ditto), James Brown (double ditto), George Benson, Beck, Travolta (and anyone else who espouses Scientology...) I'll return when I've calmed down fucking Queen, Eric Clapton, Talk Talk...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 11:01:25 GMT
I suppose the major artist who I find most disappointing is Springsteen. All the songs seem to sound very similar. It feels like he found a formula very early on and just stuck to it. There are any number of major artists I'm quite apathetic about as I'm not really a "classic rock" kind of guy. I like the stark atmosphere of 'State Trooper'. The other two aren't going to convert me, they just sound like the usual Springsteen 'emoting' over a barely there tune.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 11:06:34 GMT
I used to really hate DSotM, but I've sort of come round to it in recent years. Not all of it perhaps, but there are moments of peak beauty in some of the instrumental passages, particularly the Time/ Great Gig..section. I can find it quite moving these days!
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Post by nolamike on Nov 21, 2019 14:56:39 GMT
Yeah, I agree on this one. I was SO into them back when I was 16 or so (had every album, all the singles, the boxed set, bootlegs...), but I just find them tedious now. I don't mind hearing a track here and there, but I don't see myself ever making it through a whole album anytime soon. I think a lot of things that seemed "cool" about them back then to a teenaged kid - Page's black magic Crowley shit, Bonham's drunken asshole antics, the things done with groupies (including criminally underaged ones), Peter Grant's thugs - just turn me off completely nowadays. The question of whether one can separate the art from the artist has always been around, and always will be around. And yes, I do listen to plenty of bad peoples' music... it's just that with LZ, the "art" doesn't do it enough for me anymore to overcome that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 17:06:10 GMT
I was kind of the opposite. At 16 Led Zep seemed the uncoolest thing ever, even the long hair put me off. I didn't start listening to them properly until my mid 40s. Whilst I still find their more cock rock side a little lamentable, there's a lot about them I now like.
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