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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 17, 2022 9:08:06 GMT
I can't say I don't believe in them but the ones I have been present at made me contrary and loath to participate. The corporate versions suck and were basically a shitload of platitudes, collected from not so good psychology books. The essence of what they try to accomplish however, I do support. But I believe making a team out of a random group of people will have to go in a more natural way rather then forcing people into a joing collective activity. Just like in real life. A team grows organically. It's about a balance of personalities that work well together with hopefully somebody managing them who knows what the fuck they are doing. People are not stupid, they figure this shit out for themselves and adjust accordingly in the workplace. There is just something very patronising about it. And this shit costs thousands. Complete joke.
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Post by osgood on Jun 17, 2022 9:22:07 GMT
Must be the first time I click 'like' on a post by Doug. But this reflected my wife's and my own experiences about HR in big corp environments.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 9:41:21 GMT
Must be the first time I click 'like' on a post by Doug. But this reflected my wife's and my own experiences about HR in big corp environments. Oh he's very good, most of the time. His post on HR was bang on the money.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 17, 2022 9:50:26 GMT
Yay! Although I can't believe you have never liked any of my MUSIC posts.
If you want to improve staff wellbeing, improve the running of an organisation and all that bollocks what you need is capable staff, especially at the senior level because it's them who dictates everything else and it's them who creates the culture and so on. If you have that right then all the things which improve morale and make a job easier and more enjoyable for staff (effective communication, clear processes, adequate resources, sound decision making etc) will follow. If that is wrong then you're fucked.
I think mgmt and organisations like HR ultimately because it gives them the chance to say to staff and prospective employees "this is how we support/value people" whilst also giving some overqualified person jobs they could be doing themselves but maybe want to avoid. It gives them a chance to pretend they care and pretend they are empathetic and "people focused" and all that bollocks whilst, meanwhile, they can fuck up constantly, be incompetent as shit, make the workplace a living hell for staff by failing at all the things I mentioned earlier and guess what? HR can't do JACK SHIT. Genius! Here's a few more thousand for some wellbeing bollocks or a, god help us, STAFF SURVEY to demonstrate that we care.
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Post by fonz on Jun 17, 2022 9:59:48 GMT
Well, there are good HR depts and bad ones, I guess. Who knew ?etc etc
There’s a whole load of stuff around employment law that typical mgmt have no clue about. Union involvement? Fugedaboutit
HR is a profession with its own charter etc, and they tend to move between organisations rather than staying with one company. Individual accountability is taken very seriously, and credibility/integrity are regarded as essential in that sort of professional environment.
I reckon my wife spends about 1% of her time wondering about away days, and touchy-feely bollocks
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Post by osgood on Jun 17, 2022 11:56:50 GMT
Yay! Although I can't believe you have never liked any of my MUSIC posts. Oh, yes, I'm sure I've had liked some of those.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 17, 2022 15:31:28 GMT
well, as near as I can tell there are at least two kinds.
there's the "team building experience" where everybody goes bowling or something. there's the "team building" where everybody who is getting paid shit needs to show up 15 minutes early to stand around and go "rah rah rah"
I've only done the second and it wasn't so bad. I got to know some cool people I otherwise probably wouldn't have come in contact with much. also, I got to see some people (supposedly in charge of the meeting) have what can only be called "emotional breakdowns". this is every bit as awkward as it sounds but it was NOT boring.
it seems to me that the people who go and play badminton or something get something out of it. for one thing - it seems to me if they are not getting paid that they usually get a good meal or something out of it.
While I tried my best to enjoy standing around, hearing "motivational" mottos and going "rah rah" I think the intent is different. the off-site "FUN" things are meant to get everybody comfortable working as a team. the "rah rah start our shift and brighten up the world" things (at least, as I experienced them 10 or so years back) seem like CULT exercises to me.
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