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Post by fearlessfreap on Dec 1, 2022 19:55:12 GMT
Who knows? I mean, there was a number of votes, there was no collusion, so it's an honest result. Hmmm, yes. I can't believe Get Out is in there. I mean of all the horror films that's the one that gets votes? Wtf is that about? I know what it's about but still. I have to say I agree. It was a decent film but top 100? Maybe top100 of the past decade. It's obvious why it was picked.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 1, 2022 20:02:24 GMT
Hmmm, yes. I can't believe Get Out is in there. I mean of all the horror films that's the one that gets votes? Wtf is that about? I know what it's about but still. I have to say I agree. It was a decent film but top 100? Maybe top100 of the past decade. It's obvious why it was picked. Why was it picked?
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Post by fearlessfreap on Dec 1, 2022 20:04:57 GMT
politics
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 1, 2022 20:18:27 GMT
Correct.
No Conformist.
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Post by DarknessFish on Dec 1, 2022 23:04:24 GMT
I find it weird that Vertigo would be so highly rated. I generally love Hitch, but it's a struggle to sit through. The pacing is terrible, James Stewart gives probably his worst performance, really stilted and awkward; you have no reason to care for him given his weird stalkerish behaviour. The plot is irredeemably silly, and the only character who feels like a fully realised human, Midge, seemingly has little purpose and disappears aimlessly from the movie.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 2, 2022 0:08:26 GMT
Yeah, I'm really not a fan.
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Post by DayoRemix on Dec 2, 2022 0:19:12 GMT
How can one take seriously a list that has Vertigo so high and The Third Man (#63) so low? (Tons of other ridiculousness, like where Godfather is and Singing in the Rain (Love the film, but #10?) being so high..etc..)
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 2, 2022 7:32:05 GMT
I find it weird that Vertigo would be so highly rated. I generally love Hitch, but it's a struggle to sit through. The pacing is terrible, James Stewart gives probably his worst performance, really stilted and awkward; you have no reason to care for him given his weird stalkerish behaviour. The plot is irredeemably silly, and the only character who feels like a fully realised human, Midge, seemingly has little purpose and disappears aimlessly from the movie. Do you need to care for him? He’s creepy but then love and obsession can be creepy. At least from the outside anyway. The movie understands this. It’s like a mirror forcing us to look at ourselves. The plot is silly and contrived but Vertigo isn’t meant to work on that level. It is simply a device to explore the movies themes. There is no pretence to realism, the movie plays out like a dream, a reverie from the beginning, heightened by the lush visuals. Is the point of Midge not that she is a “human” who Stewart is blind too? She’s real and she clearly loves Stewart but instead he pursues a dream, a vision, fiction that leads him to Novaks death. By rejecting reality he is trapped on a doomed course he can’t escape from.
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Post by davey on Dec 2, 2022 8:56:25 GMT
I’ve had Jeanne Dielman recorded on my DVR for a long time. I guess I will have to watch it now - but I’m dubious about this list. A lot of clay-footedness.
I still like Citizen Kane.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 2, 2022 9:07:20 GMT
There's obviously been a push to include more women filmmakers in the voting, whether this was conscious or not doesn't matter. I think it's fair enough and partly explains the new number one and high places for Beau Travail, Daisies, Wanda and Portrait of a Lady on Fire (all either new entries or big jumps in the ranking).
I don't see any tokenism (an accusation you sometimes hear) BUT having Cleo so high (number 14!) doesn't make a lot of sense to me - it's a sweet film but a long way from great. I just think they wanted to credit Agnes Varda and it's arguably her most well-known feature.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 2, 2022 9:09:18 GMT
I was very underwhelmed by Cleo.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 2, 2022 9:10:27 GMT
I find it weird that Vertigo would be so highly rated. I generally love Hitch, but it's a struggle to sit through. The pacing is terrible, James Stewart gives probably his worst performance, really stilted and awkward; you have no reason to care for him given his weird stalkerish behaviour. The plot is irredeemably silly, and the only character who feels like a fully realised human, Midge, seemingly has little purpose and disappears aimlessly from the movie. Do you need to care for him? He’s creepy but then love and obsession can be creepy. At least from the outside anyway. The movie understands this. It’s like a mirror forcing us to look at ourselves. The plot is silly and contrived but Vertigo isn’t meant to work on that level. It is simply a device to explore the movies themes. There is no pretence to realism, the movie plays out like a dream, a reverie from the beginning, heightened by the lush visuals. Is the point of Midge not that she is a “human” who Stewart is blind too? She’s real and she clearly loves Stewart but instead he pursues a dream, a vision, fiction that leads him to Novaks death. By rejecting reality he is trapped on a doomed course he can’t escape from. I mean, you're on the right side here so there's no need to defend it really. Vertigo has been regarded as one of Hollywood's very greatest films for least a couple of decades now. It completely passed me by. On paper I understand what people say about it, all the stuff about symbolism and so forth, but it's just not the sort of film that I get much out of. Same (obviously) goes for the fishy fella.
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 2, 2022 9:12:05 GMT
I was very underwhelmed by Cleo. I get that. I enjoyed it, it's a lot of fun and I really liked the main character, but it's just not a great film, it really doesn't have that sort of feel about it on any level.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 2, 2022 9:17:39 GMT
There's obviously been a push to include more women filmmakers in the voting, whether this was conscious or not doesn't matter. I think it's fair enough and partly explains the new number one and high places for Beau Travail, Daisies, Wanda and Portrait of a Lady on Fire (all either new entries or big jumps in the ranking). I don't see any tokenism (an accusation you sometimes hear) BUT having Cleo so high (number 14!) doesn't make a lot of sense to me - it's a sweet film but a long way from great. I just think they wanted to credit Agnes Varda and it's arguably her most well-known feature. Of course it’s conscious. If you’re gonna take the likes of Lawrence, Godfather 2 and Conformist out and replace ‘em with x, y and z then they need to measure up. You can’t help but feel it is a little bit contrived.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 2, 2022 9:18:27 GMT
I was very underwhelmed by Cleo. I get that. I enjoyed it, it's a lot of fun and I really liked the main character, but it's just not a great film, it really doesn't have that sort of feel about it on any level. I found it very slight. I was like, “is that it?”
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