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Post by osgood on Apr 16, 2024 14:26:30 GMT
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Post by loveless on Apr 16, 2024 14:55:43 GMT
I'm reasonably happy about a meticulously restored print of Let It Be, and I'll certainly watch...
....and yet, with "zero extra shit" (more footage, an archival audio dig based soundtrack LP, etc.), it's a fairly anticlimactic postscript to the Get Back orgy of just a few years back.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 16, 2024 15:37:45 GMT
I'm reasonably happy about a meticulously restored print of Let It Be, and I'll certainly watch... ....and yet, with "zero extra shit" (more footage, an archival audio dig based soundtrack LP, etc.), it's a fairly anticlimactic postscript to the Get Back orgy of just a few years back. Precisely what I came here to say. And I was going to say 'why didn't they release this first, before the big Get Back 'reveal'?' - but I suppose McCartney wanted the record set straight before people saw this thing again....
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Post by Sneelock on Apr 16, 2024 16:44:51 GMT
while his displeasure of how the song came out is common knowledge now, he sure looked happy when he accepted a Grammy for it.
there is nothing in the world a control freak hates more than another control freak. Spector's version will always be the "real" version of the record as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure if this endless parade of "Special Editions" of things is Beatle Fan HEAVEN or Beatle Fan HELL. I'm pretty sure it's one or the other. I'm not sure I ever need to see the "let it be" movie again but I suppose curiosity will get the better of me, eventually.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 16, 2024 17:03:05 GMT
I'm stoked, you bunch of fucking cynics, can't you just enjoy another Beatles release at last?
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 16, 2024 17:12:00 GMT
As time goes on it seems like Paul has more and more power over the telling of the story. Yoko's old and (I hear) in fairly ill health, and it seems like Sean would rather make nice with everyone than continue the battles with Paul. Ringo will do whatever keeps the money rolling, and...well, Olivia does seem to be out there fighting for George's legacy, but the fact remains he'll always be the third wheel.
So of course this is all by design. Sort of what the movie was originally about, in fact.
I love 'The Beatles' (the band). 'Beatles' the company? Less so.
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Post by quaco on Apr 16, 2024 19:32:39 GMT
I was very happy about the Get Back thing, because I knew that the original Let It Be film would come at some point. So they wanted to say "See it wasn't so bad after all", and they made that point. Now it would be nice to give the original film a chance to stand on its merits. You would think there are some extras or things that could be included, to give a little context. But if it's a bare-bones release, that's pretty sad.
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Post by Charlie O. on Apr 16, 2024 20:50:24 GMT
I'm curious as to what sorts of extras y'all would consider appropriate, under the circumstances.
Extras on the home video release of Get Back would certainly have been welcome and would have made sense, but on this, at this time? - I can't really see it. I'm willing to be convinced, but in the meantime I think it's appropriate that they just, ummm, let it be.
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Post by quaco on Apr 16, 2024 22:35:11 GMT
I'm curious as to what sorts of extras y'all would consider appropriate, under the circumstances. Extras on the home video release of Get Back would certainly have been welcome and would have made sense, but on this, at this time? - I can't really see it. I'm willing to be convinced, but in the meantime I think it's appropriate that they just, ummm, let it be. I was thinking maybe a long interview or director's commentary with Michael Lindsay-Hogg where he can give his side of the story, as to why it came across the way it did. For all we know, he was asked to make a downbeat film, or wasn't given access to everything. We (or at least I) still don't know why it was the it was.
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Post by Charlie O. on Apr 16, 2024 22:42:39 GMT
I bet there’s something on YouTube. Lord knows the guy doesn’t seem to be shy about talking.
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Post by loveless on Apr 17, 2024 10:35:23 GMT
I found out very recently that Patrick McGoohan turned down the opportunity to work with the Beatles (I mean, he turned down a LOT of things for very principled reasons) on a film the previous year - on the basis of (I paraphrase) "I can't have four other directors, which is precisely what would happen."
Between Klein and the Beatles, it's difficult for me to imagine just how many things MLH was ordered to cut, exclude, de-emphasize, etc. between his original cut of LIB and the one that limped out into the theaters. I wasn't there, but...there's always been a sense that some of the film's "vagueness" stems from too many hands at the wheel and a lot of "we can't have George leaving, and we can't have John's drug use, and...Jesus, that's way too much Yoko..."...any number of directives and restrictions from people who were always gonna be too close to the events (personally and chronologically). The drabness (as it is) seems to stem from any number of things (some technical) - but...even MLH may have been overwhelmed by the project and had some difficulty shaping it (with or without all of the restrictions), in light of what we see in Get Back, the ground really did seem to keep moving beneath his feet as the thing went along. It went from being a floor wax to a dessert topping, etc. several times during that month, and you see in Get Back just how much work it was for him to keep adapting. For me as much as anyone else, he's a real figure of fun, and...he does seem to really inflame an atmosphere that doesn't really need further inflaming (like a kid who reflexively has meltdowns every time his parents start to get tense about one thing or another), but...his clinging to the original ambitions of the project/historically ambitious spirit of the band...I don't think any of them really had any idea what they were getting into, and...I get it. I don't blame him for attempting (as we see on screen in GB) to preserve the original mandate/some grandeur...inorganic as that patently turns out to be. They ALL get sort of caught out by shifting tides.
I had a long visit with a friend yesterday who...we always end up talking about the music we love, and I sort of posited that so many things had gone well/right/magically to plan and beyond for the Beatles up until that point (consider Pepper, "Hey Jude", a double album, the hot streak that all three writers had been on throughout 1968)...that for Paul (specifically - he's absolutely peaking in GB) to have felt (persuasively so) a certain momentum that made "we'll get together in the new year, come up with a million songs like we always do and perform them live" feel perfectly on-brand and feasible. FOR THEM. AT THE TIME. With hindsight, any of us can see how lofty and misguided and unrealistic that all turned out to be (and now we're factoring in all of this historical context we have - some genuine collective fatigue, a drug habit, a miscarriage, George [for me, the real fly in the ointment] having sort of gradually become something other than he had historically been [and the others not really NEEDING him to be much more than the guy who comes up with all the cool little guitar figures, motifs, and hooks on the fly as he'd done on something like, say, "I Want to Hold Your Hand"...a habit he'd clearly fallen well out of as he became more sort of "writerly"], a gigantic big ass cold room that wasn't bringing out the best in them [you see the shift when they got to the Apple basement, and it's not just Billy joining that perks them up]. Be the people (the couple, if you will) who go into murky waters with the momentum of years of improbable success, and you can see how...sure, maybe they get wrongfooted by the clash of their own (heretofore generally actualized) ambitions and some emerging/percolating inflammatory realities, but...you can SEE why planning the romantic getaway initially made sense to them.
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Post by loveless on Apr 17, 2024 10:57:29 GMT
I'm curious as to what sorts of extras y'all would consider appropriate, under the circumstances. I think the general sense of anticlimax (and what we KNOW is out there) does create a sense of "You don't give the kids LESS (and quite so strikingly so) on subsequent birthdays/Xmases". While you are correct that there were missed opportunities to expand the physical release of GB (or to apply more of the MAL tech to shore up the generally underwhelming LIB deluxe box with a bit more "wow"), and that it would have probably been a more natural setting/moment - knowing that those things remain undone does foster a sense of this feeling like the tiniest, most undercooked postscript to a fairly recent big event. Specifically when Jackson has sort of famously talked about an 18 hour edit of GB sitting in the can. I think the issue of musical numbers is huge. You see so many potentially tantalizing "half performances" that are jarringly edited in GB, and - much as there may be a narrative pacing that superseded a lot of musical concerns, I'm certainly left with the sense that "Well, why COULDN'T we also have full video (and companion audio) takes of de-mixed All Things Must Pass, House of the Rising Sun, Across the Universe, A Quick One, Castle of the King of Birds, Maxwell, Old Brown Shoe...and so on...(a lot of the highlights some of us remember from the morass of childhood bootlegs, or things we are given half glimpses of in GB)?" There may be a deliberate modesty here with "okayandnowheresarestoredletitbefinallyenjoyokaybye", but...they seem to make these huge EVENTS all the time (certainly Get Back, all the relentless hype and endless special editions of "Now and Then" and the Red and Blue albums, and the annual deluxe editions), and...I guess the drum I keep beating is "why do the portions at the Michelin starred steakhouse suddenly seem so much smaller?".
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Post by loveless on Apr 17, 2024 13:08:17 GMT
Alternately... MORE DICK JAMES!
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Post by osgood on Apr 17, 2024 14:50:49 GMT
Am I the only one who has not seen the movie since it was last in theaters? (1982 if I recall correctly) So I'm curious to see if its mood is as dark as the reputation it holds, because that's not quite what I remember.
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Post by oh oooh on Apr 17, 2024 15:03:02 GMT
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