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Post by rayge on May 17, 2019 13:01:37 GMT
A Charlie Haden - El Quinto Regimiento
B A Blossom Fell - Nat King Cole
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Post by bungo the mungo on May 17, 2019 14:09:26 GMT
21 minutes of A, no thanks. old king cole was a favourite of my parents so i can enjoy some of his songs. 'stardust' in particular is just sublime. this selection is dreadful, 'tho. another terrible tie.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 17:09:00 GMT
B
I like all this old stuff. I don't know why people are dissing this "googamooga" crap. The contest was opened up to all eras.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on May 17, 2019 17:12:48 GMT
Fucking hell, everyone's really got their trousers hiked up to their nipples around here these days, don't they?
I had to skip through A, but it had an expected Mingus vibe, so, while I might never give the track an honest play through, I'll still take it over B's saccharine strings.
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Post by toomanyhatz on May 17, 2019 19:47:48 GMT
Once again Preludin's rockist nature rules the day. I like both of these a lot!
I actually own A, and even pull it out to play once every few years. It's not for everyday listening, but it has a real sense of purpose, and I like how it's simultaneously melodic and forceful. Just a bit serious for casual listening. And long. Really, really long.
I wonder, did Nat endure criticisms of having 'sold out' at the time? Probably. I'd listen to him sing the proverbial phone book, of course, but I don't hear anything overly syrupy or sentimental about B. A pretty direct arrangement, really. I'm sure fans of his jazz piano were disdainful of his pop singing, but there are many, many, far worse offenders.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 17, 2019 21:58:45 GMT
I adore Nat King Cole's voice. One of my favourites from the pre-rock era. It's so elegant, soothing, 'correct' in the best sense. Like Cary Grant. Nice choice of song, too.
A is something I think would benefit from being heard live. I know you could say that for so many of these choices, but I think for this one especially. It has so much going on, and it's so long, seeing an orchestra work their way through it would really bring so much more out of the piece.
Tough choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 8:20:41 GMT
I enjoyed A when it had a Sketches of Spain vibe, less so when it went into its 'drunken mariachi band' sound. Brave pick, but a bit foolhardy too as it's way too long for a cup pick.
NKC is my favourite singer of all that crooning lot. There's a guileless purity of expression about him that the others don't have. The arrangement here might be seen as too cornily old fashioned for modern tastes, but there's a simple prettiness about it I can dig and at its heart is a very sad and tender song (it is a song about betrayal after all). Of course its magical use in 'Badlands' helps in the appreciation of it.
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Post by lokie on May 18, 2019 8:43:37 GMT
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Post by DarknessFish on May 19, 2019 20:28:07 GMT
That is not what I was expecting from Charlie Haden, I only know him from the Ornette Coleman albums, where his playing is probably the stand-out, I always find myself concentrating on the bass. The drums and piano on this are all over the place, there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to them, but I guess most free-jazz drumming is like that. 21 minutes is ludicrous for a cup selection, and it seems to very much lose its way during Haden's own solo, which reminds me of Jandek's painful fretless bass albums, just without the howling vocals. Great when the horns come back in though, even with the things that clearly need oiling. Clearly goes through a lot of different styles this one, and has a kind of "yoof orchestra" feel to most of the bet bits.
I don't mind a bit of crooning, but I'd much prefer Frank to Nat. I like a bit of rough with the smooth. Not an awful lot to say about this, it just doesn't do much for me.
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Post by osgood on May 19, 2019 20:38:43 GMT
I found that piss poor attempt at flamenco guitar on A extremely irritating. Fuck off.
I prefer NKC the piano player, but I like the crooner too. And this song, though hardly mind blowing, is quite pleasant, and definitely gets my vote.
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Post by fange on May 20, 2019 7:11:31 GMT
Both strong choices that i applaud seeing on this board and in this arena, bravo players!
The romantic in me will always love stuff like B; Nat King Cole, Ella, Chet, Sarah Vaughan, all huge favourites to this day. But the breadth of A and the fact it can keep me interested most of the way through it wins here.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 9:07:21 GMT
Neither are going to get a resounding thumbs up from me, but I liked more "parts" of A than the saccharine schmaltz of NKC...Vote A
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Post by alejandro on May 20, 2019 17:47:16 GMT
A very strong match. I can get behind B and would have likely voted for it in several other matches this round. A however is absolutely monumental - to refer to G's description I don't think the Sketches of Spain moments would be as effective or the overall effect as particular without the "drunken mariachi band" elements, and it's the tension and release, the juxtaposition of both that creates a particularly evocative and fascinating piece. One of the finest records in jazz as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Sneelock on May 21, 2019 17:05:56 GMT
A because Moddie doesn't like it.
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Post by rayge on May 23, 2019 13:32:16 GMT
a - straight up, there's no way I'm going to find 20 minutes to play this now, but I've owned this album – which is far more a Carla Bley effort than a Charlie Haden one in my view – since being introduced to it when it came out by a Malay Chinese jazz fan called Victor Lam, a fellow student at UKC who played me a lot of fine modern jazz (and some I couldn't stand), so I know what it's like. b - old Nat was often on TV in the 1950s, and I always thought of him as one for the parents as a result - it wasn't until the 1990s that I realized what a wonderful pianist he had been. This is very mums and dads, good though his voice is – oh, and that's a rather lovely muted trumpet tone someone's showing off there. Can't get past the direness of the song, though.
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