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Post by rayge on May 24, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
Sure, but it's probably better to say he can draw a world vividly and with flair when he has a better understanding of that world. What makes you so certain that direct experience is 'better'? He's making art out of other art, he's dealing with myth and cultural tropes.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 21:18:11 GMT
Sure, but it's probably better to say he can draw a world vividly and with flair when he has a better understanding of that world. What makes you so certain that direct experience is 'better'? He's making art out of other art, he's dealing with myth and cultural tropes. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying as some kind of advocacy of an approach to making films in a certain way, but my point isn't meant to suggest 'direct experience' is superior to imagination or fantasy. My initial offhand comment related purely to Tarantino. The last three Tarantino films have been set in the distant past and in my view he hasn't been entirely comfortable in those worlds. Instead it seemed that he was grafting his usual tropes on material which was a little incongruous to it. I don't think it's therefore a stretch to feel 60s Hollywood might be more natural terrain for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 5:09:21 GMT
He has a very strong style, often very appealing. OK when he has the material to back it up.
I've seen a couple of interviews in which he's being a total dick though, and I've seen too many of his films which were entirely style over substance. I'll wait till it's on Netflix.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 16:18:58 GMT
What makes you so certain that direct experience is 'better'? He's making art out of other art, he's dealing with myth and cultural tropes. The last three Tarantino films have been set in the distant past and in my view he hasn't been entirely comfortable in those worlds. Instead it seemed that he was grafting his usual tropes on material which was a little incongruous to it. I don't think it's therefore a stretch to feel 60s Hollywood might be more natural terrain for him. I agree he's a bit more uncomfortable in these past realms and they don't work as well as when he's in his more familiar environs, mainly his 70's grindhouse vibe and also feel 60's Hollywood might be more agreeable. I don't think any of his past three films are complete failures, though...(Bastards=meh, Django= like, Hateful= Really like)
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Post by rayge on May 25, 2019 16:45:46 GMT
What makes you so certain that direct experience is 'better'? He's making art out of other art, he's dealing with myth and cultural tropes. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying as some kind of advocacy of an approach to making films in a certain way. I didn't intend to, but reading back what I wrote, it isn't as clear as it might have been. What I meant was, Tarantino's source material is always, always, movies. Django Unchained, Inglorious Basterds and (I presume) the Hateful Eight, the three set in the distant past, are actually set in the Hollywood versions of those pasts, with which he is very familiar. I haven't seen the grindcore one or Jackie Brown, but the first two and Kill Bill were romps through not just Hollywood but world cinema, in techniques, genre tropes, storylines, everything really. I found them all wildly entertaining, and see no reason why I wouldn't enjoy the new one on the same terms.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 30, 2019 3:51:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 13:23:55 GMT
Tarantino reckons that he's gonna retire after his next film. He cited Siegel as an example of going on too long. "What if he stopped after Escape from Alcatraz?".
Think he will?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 13, 2021 14:00:42 GMT
No.
Anything to stay in the news with these fuckers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 22:54:11 GMT
Funnily enough I've finally got round to watching "Once Upon a Time...'. It's kind of typical of latter period Quentin- enjoyable for the most part (although it sags badly in the middle, particularly with the drawn out Western scenes) with some great stand alone scenes, but oddly forgettable and ultimately about very little. Will I miss him much if he goes? Nah, I've had my fill.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 14, 2021 10:27:47 GMT
He never did have much to say. He's a post modern director with the emptiness you associate with that stuff.
I enjoyed Once Upon A Time... but he never really grew up and matured into something greater.
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Post by harrylemon on Jul 14, 2021 10:59:04 GMT
As Ray says he makes films of films. Which as he became more sucessful became less interesting and as the length of his films increased they got more boring. Some great scenes in all of them but others drag badly.
He's got nothing to say about anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 16:27:21 GMT
He never did have much to say. He's a post modern director with the emptiness you associate with that stuff. I enjoyed Once Upon A Time... but he never really grew up and matured into something greater. I was expecting all that, but the narrative of Once.. is so thin, it's just not enough for the lengthy running time, no matter how stylish it looks.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jul 14, 2021 16:46:43 GMT
It's very self indulgent. It doesn't feel like something he was compelled to make which is part of the problem.
And what was it supposed to mean anyway? He rewrites history, Tate survives but so what? I did enjoy seeing hippies getting duffed up mind!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 18:00:11 GMT
I think it's suppose to be an homage to dying out of the old hollywood tough guys, cooper, Marvin, hudson and the like i think. I haven't seen it yet.
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Post by harrylemon on Jul 15, 2021 14:52:12 GMT
I think it's suppose to be an homage to dying out of the old hollywood tough guys, cooper, Marvin, hudson and the like i think. I haven't seen it yet. Don't waste your time.
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