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Post by npht on Sept 3, 2019 2:35:49 GMT
Wonderful album still have some songs on several playlists. Agree they took some Beatles and Stone Roses but its still Oasis.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Dec 29, 2019 23:36:33 GMT
Liam Gallagher is completely fucking stupid
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Post by loveless on Dec 30, 2019 0:01:58 GMT
If I ever needed to fully empathize with another person's vicious antipathy towards "trad. arr. white guys with guitars bollocks", a few bars of this turd would do the business.
0/10
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 30, 2019 10:59:43 GMT
Harsh
One of those records that’s nowhere near as bad/good as some people say it is but, boringly, is somewhere in between.
If they hadn’t exploded and the record was just another indie album from ‘94 it would certainly be viewed more favourably.
Rock n Roll....Live Forever...Colombia...Slide Away...no?
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Post by Crunchy Col on Dec 30, 2019 11:51:23 GMT
It's aged and I've aged.
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Post by loveless on Dec 30, 2019 12:32:49 GMT
Rock n Roll....Live Forever...Colombia...Slide Away...no? Maybe "as good as the Wonder Stuff"? I've always felt pretty lonely in this assessment, but...yeah, for me this music was dead on arrival (and I bought this record in extremely good faith the day it came out, so convincing - and woefully misleading - was the hype). I listen to these clips on YouTube this morning and it's like trying to buy groceries with monopoly money - if I squint hard enough I can maybe kind of make out the glimmer of a chord change that will lead us around the bend into the bit that has millions of people leaving these OTT effusive comments, but...that bit never really arrives for me. I can say that there's nothing on this album that achieves liftoff, that (in my one moment of praise) I ultimately admire the reach of the con job (McGee similarly seems like the sort of guy who kept buying the winning lottery ticket every one out of ten times quite by chance), that there's any number of pop moments of that general era that seem a great deal more effective or striking to my ears, that they are an extremely daft person's idea of a "proper rock band" (see also, Foo Fighters), that they do - very briefly - manage something close to "Oh! Not bad, you!" a year later, that "Yeah, say 'Beatles' one more fucking time, you cunts", but...again, it's a niche opinion and view, and it's perverse to proselytize from such a minority position.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 12:33:16 GMT
Agree they took some Beatles and Stone Roses but its still Oasis. I might like it more now if they had, in truth it's closer to a Pistols/Slade mash up.
I basically agree with Goat Boy's view of it. Its biggest fault is there's not much happening in the arrangements, not much light and shade, so everything is reduced to this wall of sound barage of guitars with Liam's abrasive vocals over the top. At the time that gave it a certain impact and singularity of purpose, but these days makes it a rather one dimensional and repetitive listen. However the songs are memorable and it does feel like a proper album in the old fashioned sense.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Dec 30, 2019 12:43:43 GMT
I don't even think the songs are all that memorable. Something like 'Slide Away', which puzzlingly I've seen called a 'standout' quite a bit, it's just a series of obvious chord changes and you can REALLY see the joins. There's no songwriting there - not really.
'Supersonic' can still fire me up THO'. That doesn't need to be a song, the lack of melody is kind of a point in its favour. It really does strike me as a fine Mondays/Pistols mashup. Such a shame Noel started to think he was channeling Bacharach. But it's kind of understandable, being the sort of person he was, in the place he suddenly found himself.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 30, 2019 16:29:36 GMT
I probably feel the opposite. Hated them at the time, mostly due to them being everywhere for 2 years and me reacting against my mates adoration of them but I view some of this stuff more favourably now. Long removed from its initial context my adolescent fires have dimmed somewhat and I'm softer in my judgement. They're spotty and flawed. Like most bands are but their success can't help but compromise how some perceive them I think. The debut is pretty solid. The follow up much less so. They also did themselves no favour with their blustering northern arrogance that seemed incongruous to the actual product. Conversely the arrogance of the Roses still seems appealing. partly because it was out of step with their time but also because they were much better and worthy of the hype in this cunts opinion.
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Post by tory on Dec 31, 2019 12:17:09 GMT
The Stone Roses could play. Their arrangements were actually pretty fucking sweet.
Oasis seemed like a gang of bus drivers in comparison.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Dec 31, 2019 12:26:51 GMT
The debut is pretty solid. The follow up much less so. I prefer the second album, mainly for 'Roll With It', 'Some Might Say', 'Cast No Shadow' and 'Champagne Supernova', all of which I think are stronger than anything on the debut ('Supersonic' aside). Maybe it could have been a real classic, if they'd have included 'Acquiesce' and left off...I don't know, 'She's Electric' maybe? and of course if they'd had a producer who didn't want to fucking layer everything until you couldn't tell if it was a guitar or a jet engine.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 31, 2019 12:38:44 GMT
They had enough songs for a strong album but just spread over two albums and some b sides.
What the hell did the bass player ever do?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 12:55:59 GMT
"I've always felt pretty lonely in this assessment, but...yeah, for me this music was dead on arrival 'Loud-mouthed twats swaggering their greatness over music and vocals so bad and so derivative as to be worse than any parody. But they have guitars, man!'? 'Cause that's what I've always thought. I have been told that I "don't get it" but I'm not sure that any aspect of crap I'm missing would be of interest to me and I've left the fans to it. *Edit - whereas I quite like some Stone Roses.
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Post by loveless on Dec 31, 2019 13:03:26 GMT
What the hell did the bass player ever do? I just realized that, in the main, I can't actually name "the supporting players" in this gang. "Our kid and I came down to London with Bonehead, Duffy, Knobs, Thump, Bruiser, Skinsy, Knuckles, Street Fair, Summat, and Thick Nick."
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 31, 2019 13:12:55 GMT
Sounds like a Northern Jolly up
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