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Post by tory on Dec 16, 2019 18:45:46 GMT
They're MPs. They're accountable to their constituents and their party. If they are found to be wanting or not responsible, then they will be unelected as per the democratic tradition at the next election.
Journalists are not accountable to anyone apart from the people that run the organisation they work for.
No doubt some of them aren't probably great MP material - that seems to be a worrying trend in general.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 18:51:08 GMT
They're MPs. They're accountable to their constituents and their party. If they are found to be wanting or not responsible, then they will be unelected as per the democratic tradition at the next election. A lot of what MPs do (or don't do) goes unnoticed, even by their constituents. As you well know. Most people aren't interested in their MP's voting record, which says a lot about their values.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 18:52:08 GMT
I mean, they walk from house to house in Haslingden, shaking hands and saying they are going to do all sorts of things for the area, and at weekends they're off shooting ducks or something.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 18:52:33 GMT
Ah, whatever. Life goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 18:55:38 GMT
Paul Mason offers an interesting alternative view here which disputes the already dominant media narrative on the defeat. www.paulmason.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/After-Corbynism-v1.2.pdf
We were facing an alliance of the right and far right, with one relentless message. But the progressive parties refused any kind of tactical unity and fought each other instead.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 18:58:28 GMT
He's good. I like him a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 18:59:22 GMT
Ah, whatever. Life goes on. Until you can't afford the healthcare.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 19:06:27 GMT
You think that's where we're headed in the UK?
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Post by tory on Dec 16, 2019 19:34:29 GMT
Paul Mason lost it years ago.
Approaching things tactically is flawed. People vote for their MPs, that's really quite an important thing rather than voting for y to get x out even if you don't really want y as your MPs.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 20:05:37 GMT
Last found down a rabbit hole
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 16, 2019 20:40:28 GMT
"centrist attacks"
NEXT!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:57:07 GMT
Neither of you have bothered to look at the link that's obvious. It actually makes some interesting points, granted it's not written by some obscure Catholic loony who describes himself as a "red Tory" but there you go. Incidentally he doesn't advocate tactical voting and is actually quite critical of the Corbyn inner circle...but "OOOOH he liked an Aaron BASTANI twitter post!".
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
'in 1996 you said something BAD about a LABOUR PARTY MEMBER! and in 2005 you posted a TWEET that defended an alleged RACIST!!!'
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Post by tory on Dec 16, 2019 21:08:30 GMT
The problem he has is that the whole "late capitalism failure" shtick doesn't have an alternative model that has any worth to it. Unless an economy is thoroughly planned like in China with a competitive manufacturing base, it is very difficult to run anything as effective as a free market one. We are in a new phase of the existing economic order that I don't think really has come to terms as of yet with the technological shifts that have occurred in the last 20 years, but a functioning economy is better than a dysfunctional one.
He is right to promote the issues that are attendant in the current economic model, but I don't think he really has anything worthwhile or of any value to say. Mason also went very quiet when Syrizia massively failed in Greece.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 16, 2019 21:13:59 GMT
That was because he was trying to beat the record for eating as many cream crackers as you can in one minute. Give the man some credit.
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