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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 15, 2019 15:54:49 GMT
Clearly, given John's support for Labes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 17:16:37 GMT
Clearly, given John's support for Labes (ooooo!) etc Supporting Labour is merely a political choice, it is not being "selective". John alas has some way to go before he can match Tobes post calling Israel a great model of democracy whom we should all support (with the inference we were anti-democracy if we didn't) in a week where a UN report on human rights in Israel was published and which called Israel's continuing expansion of civilian settlements in the occupied territory a "war cime". Now that's some top quality selective posting!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 15, 2019 17:55:04 GMT
Clearly, given John's support for Labes (ooooo!) etc Supporting Labour is merely a political choice, it is not being "selective". John alas has some way to go before he can match Tobes post calling Israel a great model of democracy whom we should all support (with the inference we were anti-democracy if we didn't) in a week where a UN report on human rights in Israel was published and which called Israel's continuing expansion of civilian settlements in the occupied territory a "war cime". Now that's some top quality selective posting! It's merely a political choice now. Ahhh right. The tacit acknowledgement of the shit show. Beautiful. He never said they were a "great model of democracy" but they are clearly more democratic and "progressive" than the nations that surround them hence Toby's point. Look at gay rights for example. Israel had a trans woman with a beard represent them at Eurovision ffs. Iran executes gay people. Corbyn, of course, has appeared on Iranian state TV and taken their money. Being selective here means ignoring the things that are deeply problematic because LABOUR or Tories
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 18:09:40 GMT
Supporting Labour is merely a political choice, it is not being "selective". John alas has some way to go before he can match Tobes post calling Israel a great model of democracy whom we should all support (with the inference we were anti-democracy if we didn't) in a week where a UN report on human rights in Israel was published and which called Israel's continuing expansion of civilian settlements in the occupied territory a "war cime". Now that's some top quality selective posting! It's merely a political choice now. Ahhh right. The tacit acknowledgement of the shit show. Beautiful. He never said they were a "great model of democracy" but they are clearly more democratic and "progressive" than the nations that surround them hence Toby's point. Look at gay rights for example. Israel had a trans woman with a beard represent them at Eurovision ffs. Iran executes gay people. Corbyn, of course, has appeared on Iranian state TV and taken their money. Being selective here means ignoring the things that are deeply problematic because LABOUR or Tories I think you need to remind yourself what being selective means. Toby's summary of Israel was one-sided, completely omitted any of the things that Israel has been criticised for and presented it as an indisputable fact. That's pretty much a textbook example of being selective.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 15, 2019 18:13:25 GMT
It's merely a political choice now. Ahhh right. The tacit acknowledgement of the shit show. Beautiful. He never said they were a "great model of democracy" but they are clearly more democratic and "progressive" than the nations that surround them hence Toby's point. Look at gay rights for example. Israel had a trans woman with a beard represent them at Eurovision ffs. Iran executes gay people. Corbyn, of course, has appeared on Iranian state TV and taken their money. Being selective here means ignoring the things that are deeply problematic because LABOUR or Tories I think you need to remind yourself what being selective means. Toby's summary of Israel was one-sided, completely omitted any of the things that Israel has been criticised for and presented it as an indisputable fact. That's pretty much a textbook example of being selective. israel is more democratic and progressive than any nation in that region. That's Toby's proposition. Prove him otherwise....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 18:23:26 GMT
He called them "a beacon of consensual, democratic government". That's absurd language to use of a country that have been doing the following.. www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/israel/palestineI know it's a complex situation with different sides to be considered, but his post was simplistic, one-sided and yes selective and used hyperbolic language ("beacon") in a way that was completely inapproprite.
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Post by tory on Nov 15, 2019 21:48:39 GMT
Israel is an imperfect democracy, just like any other democracy. I said in that post that Palestinians had legitimate grievances.
However, when compared to Egypt, Syria, Turkey Saudi Arabia and Jordan it is simply a democracy, which when in contrast to those countries, make it stand out. Its leaders are accountable to the public, pure and simple.
Lebanon does have a semi-democratic form of govt but is currently in turmoil.
Democracies do bad things to people, but it doesn't stop them being democracies.
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Post by rayge on Nov 15, 2019 22:31:10 GMT
I didn't think much of it then, don't think much of it now. I suppose it had some symbollocks value for some, but I remember being far more exercised about my friend Helen killing herself because she couldn't live with a diagnosis of MS, and I couldn't give a fuck about the Cold War, Nationalism, nor, indeed, the Germans. Still can't, if the truth be told, but if I only answered on threads where I had a genuine interest or enthusiasm in or about the subject there'd be even less of me than there already is.
Edit oh btw, I was replying to the subject of this thread
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Post by peregrine on Dec 23, 2019 19:41:09 GMT
I think that the Fall of the Berlin wall on November 9th 1989 started today's misery by initiating Globalisation.
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