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Post by tory on Apr 21, 2019 10:05:21 GMT
I'm with Goatboy. The Police wrote songs and there is a case for them being a quite unique pop outfit at their height. Aerosmith just copied other people's shit.
There is a cogent argument that Sting be burnt alive for this though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 10:33:56 GMT
I'd defend the Police but I think I'm on my own here. And anyway, I don't care that much about them. But there were some very fine singles at the start (and a sense of fun that you might not expect, looking at Sting today - not to mention how 'muso' they were as a band). Yep, I'd agree with that. As for Aerosmith they mean zilch to me although as a mid 70s US rock band they've always been accorded a lot of respect on BCB (too much? Of course).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 17:27:55 GMT
I'd defend the Police but I think I'm on my own here. And anyway, I don't care that much about them. But there were some very fine singles at the start (and a sense of fun that you might not expect, looking at Sting today - not to mention how 'muso' they were as a band). Yep, I'd agree with that. As for Aerosmith they mean zilch to me although as a mid 70s US rock band they've always been accorded a lot of respect on BCB (too much? Of course). I think a lot of these opinions have to do with our respective ages and locations too. A) you're younger than me, B) you don't really like hard or riff rock. On arena and stadium bills, I have seen Aerosmith five or six times at least. For suburban American guys like me who were teens in the mid '70s and before punk came along, this was all we had. They also took a big step in legitimizing hip-hop, which could have easily been a career killer but turned out to be a very shrewd move. As an aside, it always kills me when rock fans trot out PE, Wu Tang Clan, and maybe De La Soul, as hip-hop they like. The list pretty much ends there. Americans weren't also exposed to reggae very much. Besides Clapton's I Shot the Sheriff, Roxeanne was the next biggest exposure we got. What made them them think they could get int'l popularity with it, if they were even thinking that far? They wrote loads of great pop songs and inspired me to really delve into a genre I've come to love. Also, one of the best concerts I've ever seen: XTC opening for the Police in Santa Barbara, circa '80. I think Oingo Boingo opened the show, but I hate them and skipped 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 18:01:31 GMT
I don't think "legitimizing hip-hop" is really the right term, but they helped bring it into the MTV mainstream for sure.
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Post by tory on Apr 21, 2019 18:31:42 GMT
By all accounts it was all Rick Rubin. I’m sure Aerosmith had no real drive to legitimise hiphop- at the time their career was massively in the doldrums and they got the pick up they needed commercially. It’s not as if Aerosmith went onto champion hiphop thereafter, because they didn’t. I’ve no doubt that the song was a factor in the acceptance of hiphop into mainstream culture, but it wouldn’t have happened without MTV.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Apr 21, 2019 19:23:55 GMT
I can’t defend Aerosmith any more, no matter how many timesI played Toys In the Attic in 7th grade. Not only have they released nothing but shit for the past 32 years, it’s among the shittiest shit that’s been shat out over that timespan. They’ve burned up all my good will towards them years ago. I can’t listen to Rocks, Toys or Get Your wings any more without some vomit inducing Dianne Warren power ballad weaseling its way into my consciousness.
Yes, Sting is extremely objectionable, but the Police were only around for five years and never stooped to Aerosmith-level offensiveness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 15:07:18 GMT
By all accounts it was all Rick Rubin. I’m sure Aerosmith had no real drive to legitimise hiphop- at the time their career was massively in the doldrums and they got the pick up they needed commercially. It’s not as if Aerosmith went onto champion hiphop thereafter, because they didn’t. I’ve no doubt that the song was a factor in the acceptance of hiphop into mainstream culture, but it wouldn’t have happened without MTV. At the time, a hard rock band acknowledging hip hop was virtually unknown. Rubin may have used guitars on Run DMC, LL Cool J or Beastie Boys songs, but no rock fan was really listening to hip hop or were probably pissed they were co-opting hard rock. And I don't even understand your comment about MTV. Of course it wouldn't have happened without MTV like most songs wouldn't have gotten popular without radio play before that.
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Post by fange on Jul 24, 2021 3:40:39 GMT
Aerosmith's greatest moment?
It's surely 'Walk This Way', right? Or is it Sweet Emotion, Rats In The Cellar, Chip Away At The Stone, No More No More... or maybe the 80s and 90s (gulp) super hits?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 11:18:48 GMT
Aerosmith's greatest moment? It's surely 'Walk This Way', right? Or is it Sweet Emotion, Rats In The Cellar, Chip Away At The Stone, No More No More... or maybe the 80s and 90s (gulp) super hits? I hope this isn't indicative of what your cup list will look like Range?
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Post by fange on Jul 24, 2021 11:23:09 GMT
😂
'Mama Kin' for the win!
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Post by Crunchy Col on Jul 24, 2021 12:01:42 GMT
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Post by fange on Jul 24, 2021 12:35:24 GMT
By all accounts it was all Rick Rubin. I’m sure Aerosmith had no real drive to legitimise hiphop- at the time their career was massively in the doldrums and they got the pick up they needed commercially. It’s not as if Aerosmith went onto champion hiphop thereafter, because they didn’t. I’ve no doubt that the song was a factor in the acceptance of hiphop into mainstream culture, but it wouldn’t have happened without MTV. It also happened because it's a DAMN catchy song, something that seems to get lost a bit in the debate about influence or "who was helping who". Rubin clearly saw that both the song's funky beat and the lyrical content and flow would perfectly suit a Run DMC version with Aerosmith, and he was proven dead right.
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Post by fange on Jul 24, 2021 12:42:43 GMT
Produced by Adrian Barber, who was the engineer on Loaded, i think.
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Post by Charlie O. on Jul 25, 2021 5:34:44 GMT
Produced by Adrian Barber, who was the engineer on Loaded, i think. And recorded The Beatles at the Star-Club! And a WHOLE LOT of other stuff.Died last August from Covid (I didn't know that 'til just now).
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Jul 26, 2021 16:08:06 GMT
70s Aerosmith had real mystique, similar to Zep, Floyd, Sabbath, etc., They were stoned, Dysfunctional, and raucous, could play multiple nights at 15,000 seaters in large markets but they were headed for the murk in the 80s. 90s Aerosmith was 12 Step revitalized open, sociable pop machine which is where the Police might have started. Each have their use.
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