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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 7, 2020 6:35:26 GMT
Something like 'Tell Me' strikes me as terribly gauche, but then those early covers aren't always so great either. Then again, they seemed to go down well in the US.
Now and again you hear something that reminds you how exciting they must have been back in 1965
What you got?
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Post by quaco on Jan 7, 2020 6:51:44 GMT
Everything is exciting when there are teenaged girls screaming throughout it!
I do like their early vibe though. Not necessarily better than other bands of the time (Animals for example), and certainly no Beatles in terms of excitement (all this great stuff we're doing, we wrote it all and singing the shit out of it), but just better-looking, and that does count for something.
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Post by fonz on Jan 7, 2020 6:58:34 GMT
They look like stars, even then, reheating America’s own music, and serving it back to them. There’s a nonchalance which is compelling.
To think they went on to reinvent the wheel in their own image a few short years later is pretty exciting. Jagger and Richards had/have something special.
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Post by quaco on Jan 7, 2020 7:02:08 GMT
To me, Richards seems like he has absolutely nothing going on. He's clearly one of the great late bloomers of the British Invasion. Whereas Jones is full of energy and musicality -- alas, he couldn't work with Jagger and by all accounts was an insecure asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 7:07:28 GMT
This isn't much of a song, but it conveys how exciting the early Stones must have been.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 7, 2020 7:30:26 GMT
There’s a nonchalance which is compelling. Yeah, there's no obvious signs of nerves, they don't look like their lives depend on it either. Maybe bands always look confident because they're free to move. The shakes aren't evident. And the immediate gratification from the screaming girls must help.
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Post by fange on Jan 7, 2020 8:28:10 GMT
Wonderful. They are just lapping it up at this stage, youthful confidence oozing out of them and loving the fact that they are being treated like stars. Keith looks like the Artful Dodger - quick little glances around, a sly laugh to his mate, loving it but somehow looking above it, at least to me.
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Post by fonz on Jan 7, 2020 9:10:25 GMT
Charlie looks the least cool, strangely. He looks like a 5 yr old, bashing away on pots and pans.
It’s mainly about Jagger though. He’s not a handsome man, but he oozed charisma.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 7, 2020 9:15:39 GMT
He’s not a handsome man... Which is it, then? They all looked terrible with sticky-out ears ('64?)!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 9:54:59 GMT
Jagger was definitely handsome, albeit in an unusual, androgynous type way.
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Post by fonz on Jan 7, 2020 10:41:09 GMT
Well. I never fancied him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 15:22:20 GMT
That song, 'Of the hook', is very basic, very 'plod-ploddy-plod-plod, plod'. Very simple. Look at Charlie on drums - him of the jazz background - doing bang-bang-bang-bang; Bill looks like he wants to watch the footie while playing, Keef doesn't look all there but doesn't need to be, Brian at least has little twiddles on the guitar to get his interest piqued, and Mick looks a bit bemused but has a bash at his little idiosyncratic moves.
And yet it works.
"It's off the hook" ... very very catchy. Yeah, I'd be a fan. Especially of those English types. If I were one of those American kids.
Me, I've always had an issue with Mick's Southern American accent. But that was less alienating for the American crowd than English accents and somehow it was the done thing to sing in American accents back then. So it really worked for them.
As for looks, oh no. No no no no no. Brian was the gorgeous one, by a country mile. Mick? Oh he grew into the rock star thing but Brian was the honey. Bill was the shagnasty - every opportunity. In fact he reproached Mick early on for not taking the opportunities he could. Charlie was happily married. Happy to be a jobbing drummer - which in effect he's always been as Mick and Keef take the royalties and manage the business side of things and just employ the others. Keef ... Keef learned early about the power of being a rock star and uses his charm on beautiful women who'd otherwise be well beyond his pull. He'd take part in the groupie thing but not overly-so. In that clip he had to develop that persona of his which has found effectively charming ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 16:56:42 GMT
Everything is exciting when there are teenaged girls screaming throughout it! I do like their early vibe though. Not necessarily better than other bands of the time (Animals for example), and certainly no Beatles in terms of excitement (all this great stuff we're doing, we wrote it all and singing the shit out of it), but just better-looking, and that does count for something. I also think that a pretty simple blues/R&B song like this represents everything they got into music for - the simplicity and catchiness of a song like this, which gives them room to have fun. It's always interesting to me seeing this restrained Jagger on sixties TV. You know he wants to cut loose, but the producers and censors probably warned him. He kinda teases them and the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 17:00:35 GMT
Me, I've always had an issue with Mick's Southern American accent. But that was less alienating for the American crowd than English accents and somehow it was the done thing to sing in American accents back then. So it really worked for them. As an American, it's such a pastiche, it's funny. It's a very bad copy. I didn't grow up in the South, but California has some very regional dust bowl accents left over from the migration in the '20s. Or used to. Also, lots of Blacks came to the west coast from the south to work in the shipyards in both Northern and So. California. A buddy of mine went back to Louisiana a couple years ago to live with family after growing up here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 17:28:04 GMT
They all speak like that in Dartford.
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