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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 0:34:40 GMT
Other than their families, of course.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 16, 2020 2:28:25 GMT
NYC shutting down all restaurants, theatres, bars etc. from Tuesday morning. It's a drastic step but probably necessary. How long before we do the same?
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Post by tory on Mar 16, 2020 7:34:33 GMT
Most old people wouldn't know what "WhatsApp" is. Many won't even have mobiles. It's a nice idea but you'd probably do more to look out for food banks, charities, possibly even churches if they have good community links But really, for actual care for the elderly the onus is on social work and the local authority. We've already got all the phone numbers of the elderly residents on our street. I just think people need to be constructive rather than pooh-poohing ideas. FFS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 9:46:05 GMT
My parents'neighbour has in fact already WhatsApped them telling them to let her know if they need anything If this quarantine thing starts I may go and stay with them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:24:50 GMT
Many won't even have mobiles. It's a nice idea but you'd probably do more to look out for food banks, charities, possibly even churches if they have good community links But really, for actual care for the elderly the onus is on social work and the local authority. We've already got all the phone numbers of the elderly residents on our street. I just think people need to be constructive rather than pooh-poohing ideas. FFS I'm not pooh poohing anything, that's good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:50:55 GMT
Kate Osborne, MP for Jarrow (where I work) has tested positive.
Honestly T, I wasn't trying to dismiss anything. I'm just thinking aloud with the things I can be doing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:59:02 GMT
We've already got all the phone numbers of the elderly residents on our street. I just think people need to be constructive rather than pooh-poohing ideas. FFS I'm not pooh poohing anything, that's good. Neither am I, but I don't know what this WhatsApp thing is. Is it a web page,? Do I have to download it and from where?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:04:17 GMT
Anyway I seem to be vacillating between feeling there's some over reaction and feeling we're all fucked.It's difficult to find the right balance because there's no real precedent for any of this. We're all in completely uncharted waters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:17:28 GMT
It's a phone app which picks up your contacts and you can send messages, video calls etc for free. I'm just conscious of not wanting to be the person who a number of people rely on given I'm practically living hand to mouth myself and I don't drive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:34:48 GMT
Thanks, I knew it was something like that, but I hate using mobiles for anything. Some of us don't like technology!
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Post by Cousin Lou on Mar 16, 2020 11:51:28 GMT
Anyway I seem to be vacillating between feeling there's some over reaction and feeling we're all fucked.It's difficult to find the right balance because there's no real precedent for any of this. We're all in completely uncharted waters. Not completely unchartered though - the experience in China tells us something. It is clear that their draconic measures paid off, resulting in a stabilisation. The point is, elsewhere the number of cases has not peaked yet. As everyone can see, the markets are in turmoil. The question is what's the damage, once Corona has peaked and even if the world economy may be too big to fail, I am worried that equally, it is to too big to be saved. In my more positive moments, I am hoping this may cause a general reset for the long term. Another bright spot: Most countries - at least in the EU - will probably meet their GHG targets.
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Post by Playground LEVINE on Mar 16, 2020 11:55:33 GMT
Anyway I seem to be vacillating between feeling there's some over reaction and feeling we're all fucked.It's difficult to find the right balance because there's no real precedent for any of this. We're all in completely uncharted waters. Yeah, I know what you mean. I think we're doing OK so far - despite the panic buying. People seem to be cautious, taking advice. There's absolutely no doubt we're all very much informed - you just have to use your common sense and filter out the nonsense, take in the statistics, and listen to the experts. But I look through pub windows sometimes when I'm out walking and the places are crowded and people are shouting at each other and I can't help thinking it's not healthy. Like everyone else I want this to be over as soon as possible. But even if we get word that it's OK to go out and live your life freely again by summer, they're saying there might be a 'second wave' in November or thereabouts. And some experts are saying we might have to live with the restrictions caused by the virus for a year, or even 18 months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 12:18:16 GMT
Anyway I seem to be vacillating between feeling there's some over reaction and feeling we're all fucked.It's difficult to find the right balance because there's no real precedent for any of this. We're all in completely uncharted waters. Not completely unchartered though - the experience in China tells us something. It is clear that their draconic measures paid off, resulting in a stabilisation. I mean unchartered from the viewpoint of something directly experienced oneself.
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Post by loveless on Mar 16, 2020 12:33:51 GMT
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Post by rayge on Mar 16, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
Not completely unchartered though - the experience in China tells us something. It is clear that their draconic measures paid off, resulting in a stabilisation. I mean unchartered from the viewpoint of something directly experienced oneself. Actually, I think you mean both mean uncharted, as in G's first post, but there you go. I was speaking to a neighbour today in the street – conservative-type chap, mid-forties at a guess, used to be a financial trader, now works as lower-middle management in Tesco, about as 'normal' as you can get in terms of this country, and he was furious about the erosion of civil liberties thing and talking about open rebellion - mentioned the Third Reich at least once. So not everyone is on board, and I think there might be a big backlash before the disease really takes hold (total confirmed cases in Somerset as I write: two). And yet again, two of my big bugbears are involved in the latest outrages: being treated as a member of a group to which I have been assigned against my will, rather than an individual, and the use of 'statistics' to prove points, when, for fuck's sake, few people –including virtually all politicans – actually understand statistical analysis, and believe that numbers are truth, when in fact they are the bluntest of instruments for parsing a crisis. So people with pre-existing conditions and over-70s are more vulnerable to dying of this disease than the young? Is it not possible that 'over-70s' which, unlike the other age cohorts, contains people 30-40 years over the lower cut-off point, are far more likely to be suffering from 'pre-existing conditions' than, say, 30-39-year-olds? Yes, immune systems gradually decay and fall away with age, like so many other body functions, but there's not a fucking switch that snaps on, or indeed off, on your 70th birthday. The only reason that's been chosen as a cut-off by statisticians is that we have two hands and five digits on each. As a 71-year-old with no cardio-vascular or pulmonary issues, no chronic illnesses or conditions and a notably robust immune system, an excellent diet and a medical history encompassing nothing more threatening or alarming than three doses of flu in 70 years and the removal of a perfectly healthy appendix when I was 11 years old, I'll be fucked if I'm going to stay indoors for four months.
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