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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 14:09:09 GMT
Pretty much. That and the fact you're not allowed to call brown people "Pakis" any more. Some people hate that. Someone always reduces objections to pc culture to something as crudely basic as this i.e. actual racist epithet when it’s more to do with how definitions have been warped and expanded by a chosen pc minority and people objecting to this instead. Particular when it’s used to tar, denigrate and shut down debate people who aren’t actually racist. Look what’s happened to Alastair Stewart for example Harv makes a good point in my view. Would you concede that political correctness did have some benefits and was a necessary progression for society in many respects?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 30, 2020 14:09:57 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 30, 2020 14:15:40 GMT
Someone always reduces objections to pc culture to something as crudely basic as this i.e. actual racist epithet when it’s more to do with how definitions have been warped and expanded by a chosen pc minority and people objecting to this instead. Particular when it’s used to tar, denigrate and shut down debate people who aren’t actually racist. Look what’s happened to Alastair Stewart for example Harv makes a good point in my view. Would you concede that political correctness did have some benefits and was a necessary progression for society in many respects?
Yes I agree but it has overreached wildly and that’s what people have issues with. That’s the objections. Look at how racism gets trotted out to the point where it loses meaning. That’s dangerous and has consequences. Look at the grooming scandal for example. We need to make these distinctions and understand it’s not necessarily people wanting the freedom to be openly racist. To go back to Brexit the lack of conversation around mass immigration (cos it’s racist to have concerns around this subject to some, or sensitivity in regards to “offending” people) has surely contributed, no?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 14:18:22 GMT
Like Toby, you can't see the wood for the trees when it comes to this stuff bcause you see everything in such binary terms.
The only thing Mrs Browns Boys is a "victory" for is bad comedy. And bad comedy has always been around and often it's been hugely popular. Mrs Browns Boys is a load of shit however comedy needs to push at the edges but it's hard to do that in today's culture as much. I don't think that's a controversial thing to say, G. Watch the video. Something is happening but truthfully I don't think you are really up to speed with all this. I know that sounds a bit patronising and I'm not trying to be but it makes convo hard truthfully. I'm not "up to speed" on it because I don't spend my time searching for examples of stupid "" behaviour to get angry about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 14:22:29 GMT
Harv makes a good point in my view. Would you concede that political correctness did have some benefits and was a necessary progression for society in many respects?
Yes I agree but it has overreached wildly and that’s what people have issues with. That’s the objections. Look at how racism gets trotted out to the point where it loses meaning. That’s dangerous and has consequences. Look at the grooming scandal for example. We need to make these distinctions and understand it’s not necessarily people wanting the freedom to be openly racist. Wouldn't disagree with any of that. So we're saying you need a balance, we're arguing for tolerance and coomon sense, right? The problem is when these positions are posited, as Toby has a tendency to do, on such stark "us and them" divisions. It makes it harder to achieve the common sense middle ground.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 30, 2020 14:22:34 GMT
Mrs Browns Boys is a load of shit however comedy needs to push at the edges but it's hard to do that in today's culture as much. I don't think that's a controversial thing to say, G. Watch the video. Something is happening but truthfully I don't think you are really up to speed with all this. I know that sounds a bit patronising and I'm not trying to be but it makes convo hard truthfully. I'm not "up to speed" on it because I don't spend my time searching for examples of stupid "" behaviour to get angry about. I can recommend that Youtube channel. Lots of interesting people. That nonsense, which shouldn’t just be dismissed in the same way that concerns around pc (a precursor) is a symptom of something much greater and profound that has genuine influence and which is contributing to the failure of left wing parties at a point in history where we need credible opposition in sync with the wider populace. Until you grasp all this then you will continue to post stuff like that, G. I will keep chipping away though cos I believe in you.
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Post by rayge on Jan 30, 2020 14:23:29 GMT
And of course, purely as a matter of scientific taxonomic fact, black people are apes, just like white, brown, green and blue people are. The Great Apes include chimpanzees, bonobos, gibbons, orang utans, gorillas and humans. It's a pedantic point, but one I always like to make, just like the one about not confusing apes with monkeys. And as those who have read Mbawe will know, I think gorillas are the crown of creation: I aspire to the state of being that is enjoyed by a gorilla. But this is a side issue in a debate in which I have no interest, as I don't believe that popular culture is a thing, rather than a set of opinions
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 30, 2020 14:27:17 GMT
Yes I agree but it has overreached wildly and that’s what people have issues with. That’s the objections. Look at how racism gets trotted out to the point where it loses meaning. That’s dangerous and has consequences. Look at the grooming scandal for example. We need to make these distinctions and understand it’s not necessarily people wanting the freedom to be openly racist. Wouldn't disagree with any of that. So we're saying you need a balance, we're arguing for tolerance and coomon sense, right? The problem is when these dates are posited, as Toby has a tendency to do, on such stark "us and them" divisions. It makes it harder to achieve the common sense middle ground. Yeah. Common sense would be nice but the people who push some of this stuff believe in a worldview that has no common sense. That’s the whole post modern influenced critical theory crap. Their approach is simply not compatible with what is required hence why they get in the way. We need to tackle this head on but first we must recognise there is an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 14:31:54 GMT
It's not going to be done by simply dismissing " whole post modern influenced critical theory". You and Toby do make me laugh with some of this stuff. I mean you'll both have an intellectual discussion about Tarkovsky say, but it's because of critical theory that you're watching Tarkovsky in the first place.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jan 30, 2020 14:36:56 GMT
I agree that "cancel culture" has become very dangerous and that good people are being shut down (or worse) for the wrong reasons. It's not like the guy is a troll like yer Tommy Robinsons, etc.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jan 30, 2020 14:47:03 GMT
I aspire to the state of being enjoyed by a gorilla. Take two tubes of lube to the zoo?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 30, 2020 14:49:35 GMT
It's not going to be done by simply dismissing " whole post modern influenced critical theory". You and Toby do make me laugh with some of this stuff. I mean you'll both have an intellectual discussion about Tarkovsky say, but it's because of critical theory that you're watching Tarkovsky in the first place.
I'm not dismissing it completely and I'm not talking about movies. I'm talking about its influence on certain elements within the left and how this manifests itself in identity politics, , "sjw" and the worldview that accompanies this stuff.
It's really interesting shit but once you join the dots you start to see things like the daft Twitter shit differently because they are symptoms of something much more problematic and worrying.
#believeinG
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Post by rayge on Jan 30, 2020 14:50:28 GMT
I aspire to the state of being enjoyed by a gorilla. Take two tubes of lube to the zoo? Whoops Thanks for pointing that out. In a typical spoilsport manoeuver, I've edited it
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Post by tory on Jan 30, 2020 14:56:59 GMT
I like making binary distinctions because I like arguing.
Arguing makes people think, at least I hope it does.
I hate common agreement on everything because it leads to a paucity of thinking.
I attended a lecture yesterday where a professor of pedagogy said that the latest neuroscientific research suggests that the brain is not "set up" for thinking, which is why kids don't like school.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 14:57:02 GMT
It's not going to be done by simply dismissing " whole post modern influenced critical theory". You and Toby do make me laugh with some of this stuff. I mean you'll both have an intellectual discussion about Tarkovsky say, but it's because of critical theory that you're watching Tarkovsky in the first place.
I'm not dismissing it completely and I'm not talking about movies. I'm talking about its influence on certain elements within the left and how this manifests itself in identity politics, , "sjw" and the worldview that accompanies this stuff.
It's really interesting shit but once you join the dots you start to see things like the daft Twitter shit differently because they are symptoms of something much more problematic and worrying.
#believeinG
"Join the dots"..isn't that a Jimbo phrase? I remember arguing on BCB years ago that the left, and in particular the academic left, were too focussed on identity politics and constructing narratives which weren't of any relevance to most ordinary people, so you don't have to convert me to anything there.
We just have to be careful we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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