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Post by Crunchy Col on May 5, 2020 22:48:11 GMT
I was thinking about this tonight and all I really watch is Masterchef and BBC4. Which isn't much, is it? and yet I do feel an attachment to it and I do support it but it needs reform. It should produce more quality though. Its arts coverage is pretty lacking. I used to love BBC4 in its first few years, but it's budget has been cut to the bone and it's a shadow of its former self. You're lucky to find a new programme in its schedules now, it's pretty much all repeats and there's only so many times you can watch the same documentary. Looks like it might be all over
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Post by tory on May 6, 2020 6:26:47 GMT
A guy on twitter called Post-Liberal Pete made the interesting point the other day that the Left shows its patriotism through its support of institutions like the BBC and the NHS, which are arguably inherently "British".
It's an interesting perception and has a ring of truth to it.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on May 6, 2020 6:54:23 GMT
Patriotism!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 7:20:01 GMT
Is cultural identity the same as patriotism? Not sure about that.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 6, 2020 7:26:51 GMT
Seems like nobody can decide whether the BBC is a mouthpiece for the Left, or one of the last pro-government, pro-monarchy institutions left in the country.
I suppose it just depends on what you're watching (or listening to).
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 6, 2020 8:10:48 GMT
Seems like nobody can decide whether the BBC is a mouthpiece for the Left, or one of the last pro-government, pro-monarchy institutions left in the country. I suppose it just depends on what you're watching (or listening to).
I think culturally it is more left wing these days. At least it pushes an agenda that is in line with a "" one. There appears to be an increasing politicisation of dramas like Doctor Who, for example, and an approach to "diversity" etc that jars in certain productions because they are changing classics. There's been quite a lot of criticism over this and fans are pushing back (check out the Rotten tomatoes audience score for the last series of Doctor Who for example).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJE4Oy5aPls
Even shit like this, I think, betrays a certain kind of anti-British mindset that is line with "".
www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/01/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-over-anti-british-horrible-histories-song
Nish Kumar? This man is a hateful little arsehole and yet the fact that he is presenting that tells you something.
I don't watch the news coverage much so I can't comment on that too much but culturally I would suggest it is more left wing and there is an agenda going on. It's one of the reasons why people are turning off. They feel like they are being lectured rather than entertained.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 6, 2020 8:13:50 GMT
Nish Kumar? This man is a hateful little arsehole and yet the fact that he is presenting that tells you something I think. Really? I'm not a fan but he doesn't come across as hateful. Just a bit rubbish.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 6, 2020 8:23:23 GMT
Nish Kumar? This man is a hateful little arsehole and yet the fact that he is presenting that tells you something I think. Really? I'm not a fan but he doesn't come across as hateful. Just a bit rubbish.
Oh he's a twat. He's one of these cunts who can't stop himself...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50644317
He was invited to some charity event and of course instead of just using some bland, generic jokes designed to appeal to everyone he started going on about Brexit and racism etc and he ended up getting booed off and people were chucking bread rolls at him.
He's one of those cunts who has to try and make everything political so he can lecture people and get on his student union soapbox. Hateful? Yeah, I think he is hateful and prejudice towards people whose political opinions he doesn't share. He's a little man.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 8:40:43 GMT
His presentation of the snooker is very good though.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 6, 2020 10:10:06 GMT
Nish Kumar's just not funny and ubiquitous at the moment. Hardly the first person to be so, Mrs Browns Boys has also fallen into that category, and that's clearly not part of a left-wing agenda.
I think the BBC is culturally left-wing in terms of its programming output, because most art does lean in that direction. It's hard to make a drama about a venture capitalist succeeding to get a supermarket built on greenbelt land, overcoming the odds against the disparate band of local community groups. But the news coverage is shamefully pro-government, has always had a conservative bias. The way the disastrous government handling of Coronavirus is reported, barely mentioning the thousands and thousands of unnecessary deaths due to dithering and lack of planning, despite the advance notice of other country's catastrophes.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:28:16 GMT
The BBC is culturally liberal, rather than leftist. There's rarely any class analysis into what it puts out, certainly not the in-house stuff, its documentaries are usually an oxbridge grad with a corresponding perspective or an upper class celebrity like Michael Portillo riding a train through Aberfan or something.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 23, 2020 15:42:34 GMT
I was just thinking about how the VAST majority of people I know and interact with - at work, in social circles, on message boards and social media as well as my family - are politically to the left. Statistically it's about 95%.
And before you say it - this isn't because I'm selective in my feeds on social media, or because of 'confirmation bias' or whatever. In fact it's something that seems to comes to me, rather than me going to it.
You do end up thinking that there's a kind of unpleasantness inherent in people who vote Tory or whatever. I know we've talked about this many times before, and I'm honestly not trying to cause trouble. I just find it a bit strange.
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Post by tory on May 24, 2020 8:26:49 GMT
I You do end up thinking that there's a kind of unpleasantness inherent in people who vote Tory or whatever. I know we've talked about this many times before, and I'm honestly not trying to cause trouble. I just find it a bit strange. This is just staggering stuff John. You are basically calling people like me a cunt. That we have *inherent* unpleasantness. You need to really think about this carefully. Maybe actually think for once, rather than daubing a whole load of people "cunts". Lots of people you may think are awful, but they have families, show love to their family, respect the law, have jobs, contribute to their communities and to the economy. Their political inclinations may not match yours - but to call such people in such a manner shows your own views in a stark light. Bigot - "n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ." I've had this conversation with someone recently who "despises Tories". He lives in Leeds and works in a library in an area where there is social deprivation. He witnesses the effects of austerity. But do all Tories believe in austerity, or do they all sit on large piles of cash laughing at poor people? No. Are all Labour voters anti-semites? Of course not. It's the grouping together of people under a banner and then believing that ALL people are like that which has the same sort of logic as racism. Scruton articulated the premise of Conservatism very well here. Against the stark, bold, exhilirating promise of utopia and social justice, Conservatism cannot hope to succeed. And yet, and yet, as Thomas Sowell (the only other fine Conservative mind) says - "Look at the evidence"....and the history of election results since the War.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 24, 2020 8:45:28 GMT
I You do end up thinking that there's a kind of unpleasantness inherent in people who vote Tory or whatever. I know we've talked about this many times before, and I'm honestly not trying to cause trouble. I just find it a bit strange. This is just staggering stuff John. You are basically calling people like me a cunt. That we have *inherent* unpleasantness. You need to really think about this carefully. Maybe actually think for once, rather than daubing a whole load of people "cunts". Calm down. I said no such thing.
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Post by tory on May 24, 2020 8:49:51 GMT
So what is "You do end up thinking that there's a kind of unpleasantness inherent in people who vote Tory or whatever" then?
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