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Post by Crunchy Col on May 24, 2020 9:04:03 GMT
Read what I wrote again.
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Post by tory on May 24, 2020 9:07:50 GMT
I was just thinking about how the VAST majority of people I know and interact with - at work, in social circles, on message boards and social media as well as my family - are politically to the left. Statistically it's about 95%. And before you say it - this isn't because I'm selective in my feeds on social media, or because of 'confirmation bias' or whatever. In fact it's something that seems to comes to me, rather than me going to it. You do end up thinking that there's a kind of unpleasantness inherent in people who vote Tory or whatever. I know we've talked about this many times before, and I'm honestly not trying to cause trouble. I just find it a bit strange. So you don't know any Tories, which means that you are "more likely" to think they're unpleasant. I get that.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 24, 2020 9:12:58 GMT
Well, that's partly it. I was just wondering whether others see the same 'over-representation' of the Left in social media. I don't think it's just a matter of choosing your friends. It's a feature of the world in which we (meaning educated, articulate) inhabit right now. Every Hollywood star, every BBC reporter, every writer, singer - they're anti-Trump, anti-Johnson, pro-lockdown, etc. etc.
I mean, you've commented on it yourself several times - most of your friends are politically liberal, I guess sometimes you feel frustrated trying to discuss things with them.
So what's it all about?
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Post by tory on May 24, 2020 9:25:49 GMT
Frank Dikotter's book on Mao articulated a great observation.
Mao and his coterie of people that had been with him on the Great March and the Civil War had become so hardened over a period of 20 years that when they came to power, they thought nothing of casually starving millions of people or killing political opponents on a whim. The value of human life had dwindled to such an extent that it was essentially worthless in their eyes. You can see the same analogy with Stalin and with Hitler. The struggle.
Now, I'm not saying that we are there, obviously not. BUT, I think that 4 or 5 years of political turmoil has created hardened battle lines. You can see it on how political identities easily coalesce around particular quandaries. And when that turmoil continues, then it is perhaps inevitable that an "othering" happens.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Oct 19, 2020 21:50:47 GMT
Well, that's partly it. I was just wondering whether others see the same 'over-representation' of the Left in social media. I don't think it's just a matter of choosing your friends. It's a feature of the world in which we (meaning educated, articulate) inhabit right now. Every Hollywood star, every BBC reporter, every writer, singer - they're anti-Trump, anti-Johnson, pro-lockdown, etc. etc. I mean, you've commented on it yourself several times - most of your friends are politically liberal, I guess sometimes you feel frustrated trying to discuss things with them. So what's it all about? Still waiting
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Post by tory on Oct 20, 2020 6:44:01 GMT
A lot of people have Conservative thoughts and also carry out policies that suit them. Ie they get married, they have families and maintain property. They want the same for their children too.
However, they display[\i] liberal characteristics. "Hey you don't have to get married! Fuck who you want, watch porn, take drugs, it doesn't matter!"
To display Tory/Conservative characteristics is to be unhip , unpalatable and low status.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 6:46:30 GMT
A lot of people have Conservative thoughts and also carry out policies that suit them. Ie they get married, they have families and maintain property. They want the same for their children too. However, they display[\i] liberal characteristics. "Hey you don't have to get married! Fuck who you want, watch porn, take drugs, it doesn't matter!"
To display Tory/Conservative characteristics is to be unhip , unpalatable and low status.But many Tories do do all those things too.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 20, 2020 8:07:51 GMT
Well, that's partly it. I was just wondering whether others see the same 'over-representation' of the Left in social media. I don't think it's just a matter of choosing your friends. It's a feature of the world in which we (meaning educated, articulate) inhabit right now. Every Hollywood star, every BBC reporter, every writer, singer - they're anti-Trump, anti-Johnson, pro-lockdown, etc. etc. I mean, you've commented on it yourself several times - most of your friends are politically liberal, I guess sometimes you feel frustrated trying to discuss things with them. So what's it all about? There's definitely a group think thing going on. Bubble dwelling behaviour. Careers are somewhat dependent on having the right beliefs these days too in certain circles. That's a powerful thing and people will not rock the boat, they will go with what is fashionable to fit in in the celebrity world at the mo (and others). If the question is why do certain groups swing more to the left (I don't think the word liberal is that helpful here) then that's an interesting one. I have some ideas. But you won't like them lol. as an example, I think artists are often more feeling led as people, maybe more trusting of emotions and intuition and are maybe therefore more attracted to the left because it is more emotionally satisfying to them.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Oct 20, 2020 8:15:18 GMT
I think it's to do with sensitivity
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 20, 2020 8:26:39 GMT
I think it's to do with sensitivity Why are young people more left wing and older people more right wing? What changes? Why did I change?
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Post by DarknessFish on Oct 20, 2020 8:28:37 GMT
You become crippled wih loathing because you've met more people.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Oct 20, 2020 8:32:06 GMT
I think it's to do with sensitivity Why are young people more left wing and older people more right wing? What changes? Why did I change? oh has the world changed, or have I changed? oh has the world changed, or have I changed? some nine year old tough who peddles drugs I swear to God, I swear I never even knew what drugs were
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 20, 2020 8:42:46 GMT
You become crippled wih loathing because you've met more people. Youthful idealism is tempered by real world experience. Some groups, look at academics for example, don't gain this real world experience like most of us do so they live in a wee bubble, a world of ideas and theories rather than real world solutions and hard boiled pragmatism that your average person is more interested in. The average person in the street faces consequences you know. In the same way that your Hollywood celeb can talk about socialism but they are financially independent enough to not face consequences should things change politically.
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Post by tory on Oct 20, 2020 8:43:21 GMT
Sowell talks of the "unconstrained vision" and the "constrained vision" as a slightly different look at the left-right axis.
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Post by cousinlou on Oct 20, 2020 9:09:50 GMT
It's a feature of the world in which we (meaning educated, articulate) inhabit right now. Every Hollywood star, every BBC reporter, every writer, singer - they're anti-Trump, anti-Johnson, pro-lockdown, etc. etc. So what's it all about? They could be the only logical conclusions for the educated and articulate.
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