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Post by rayge on Mar 6, 2020 13:48:04 GMT
A Big John Patton - Latona
B Jimmy Smith – Tenderly
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Post by DarknessFish on Mar 6, 2020 20:39:10 GMT
Interesting elevator muzak start, hope it improves. Hmm, it's not going to, I fear, at best it's incidental music to a jaunty 60s shopping scene. I think sitting through all seven minutes of this is going to be a big ask for me. Makes me want to buy a small expensive tub of ice-cream.
A round of two men bashing their organs? This sounds like the bloke in Blackpool's Tower Ballroom having a stroke. I mean, I guess they're both unusual deep picks, but by Christ I don't want to listen to either.
Abstain.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Mar 6, 2020 23:07:23 GMT
I like both of these a lot. But then I like lounge music, which I guess these both are.
I agree that A gets a slow start, but I do think it picks up more.
Jimmy Smith probably has a more impressive "trick bag," but he's also showing it off a bit more.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Mar 7, 2020 17:44:08 GMT
A, basically 'cos it has all the right sounds.
I couldn't hear B without thinking of this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 17:47:10 GMT
I agree with Fish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 5:25:53 GMT
If B used more bass notes, it could have been in a horror movie soundtrack..Vote A, for the first 30 second having a Stereolab feel to it, before completely abandoning that feel for a shopping trip
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 7:00:30 GMT
I first discovered BJP when I saw him headline one of Russ Dewbury's jazz bops back in 89. I remember how his music filled the venue and how much power he seemed to generate. He became an instant hero to me that night and I wish those casually dismissing him here had experienced his visceral, muscular playing for themselves. This isn't one of his best, it's a little restrained by his standards, but it still has a cool strut and some lovely Latin type percussion. I'm a fan of Jimmy Smith too but this is a terrible choice and might be the worst thing he put his name to. It totally lacks his usual funkiness with all those stretched out notes.
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Post by fonz on Mar 9, 2020 7:11:30 GMT
An Easy A for Me
I don’t like Jimmy Smith’s music. I got a ten disc box a few years ago and have struggled to get through it. I just don’t really like Hammonds.
A is lighter, more fun. And there’s some nice guitar v
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Post by neige on Mar 11, 2020 15:07:53 GMT
A is the kind of Blue Note sound I can really groove along to.
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Post by osgood on Mar 11, 2020 19:05:20 GMT
Organ in jazz? Just say no. A has a nice groove, vibes, sax and guitar solos are fine, and organ solo is conveniently placed at the end, where it can be harmless. Jimmy Smith is plainly irritating, at least in that track. I have somewhere a comp from him that I just played once and I don't remember if his playin is always that disgusting.
You guess
A has less organ
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Post by fange on Mar 13, 2020 8:05:45 GMT
Well, i think B is getting unduly hammered here. It's a shame that the organ has become a bit of an anachronism to many modern ears; it is a joyous, beautiful instrument in the hands of great musicians, and JS was certainly one of them. That said, B didn't really do themselves much of a favour by picking such an early cut; having a band that could pad out Smith's sound a bit more may have made it a bit more palatable to the voters here, but oh well. A brave choice that i like. A is also not totally to many people's taste here, especially those who need banging, crashing, distortion, feedback, HIT ME IN THE HEAD! energy. The subtlety of a track this eludes them - the beauty of those light rhythms, the way 4 brilliant musicians can bounce off each other with such groove and tightness, and solo with such different yet compatible feels. Bobby Hutcherson's vibes take us out into space, Grant Green's guitar takes us to a downtown Latin street corner, and Pattkn's organ takes us into church to sing to the heavens with the choir. A gem from a unique and excellent album.
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Post by Sneelock on Mar 13, 2020 18:02:28 GMT
both are right up my safe & sane alley. B is certainly the more emotional playing but I'll go with A by virtue of the imaginary cocktail I was enjoying while I listened to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 11:00:42 GMT
'Tenderly' has been misnamed. It sounds like a rabid tarantula with weights tied to its back jumping up and down on the organ, having a rest for the sustained notes, then jumping up and down again - with occasional fitting.
A is a sweet thing.
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Post by rayge on Mar 16, 2020 20:00:54 GMT
When I was a wee lad, just starting to buy records, the High Cross Record Centre seemed to be full of Jimmy smith albums - the guys who ran the place were first generation Modernists, sharp dressers and very much fans of this sort of thing. I couldn't enjoy them at all backthen, foud them intimidating, and although I got over that, I never learned to love his Hammond-mangling sound. And this piece, as others have said, or implied, is all flash and gimmick, no heart.
The Big John track wins by virtue of the organ being part of a group, and the vibes and particularly the guitar being very nice indeed. And, to be fair, a nice skipping feel to the organ solo, too. Yes, I like this, an upful vibe, as I'm sure the kids on the street don't say.
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