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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 28, 2020 18:46:40 GMT
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Post by loveless on Jan 28, 2020 18:49:21 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jan 28, 2020 21:12:17 GMT
I'M IN
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Post by Charlie O. on Jan 28, 2020 21:40:47 GMT
I'm totally in, but I can't shake the feeling that this is a whitewash job. I don't remember John or George (or Ringo for that matter) ever complaining that the dour old version was inaccurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 0:36:55 GMT
I suspect the truth is in the middle. I always felt that the discord supposedly shown in Let It Be was somewhat exaggerated, you'd hear this was the film that showed The Beatles at each others throat when all that really happens is Paul and George have a slightly petty argument..and that's apparently enough for Apple to bury the film for the last thirty odd years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 0:42:20 GMT
Incidentally I just googled to find out more about this film and this thread was top of the search. JC and Ray must've really rocked the Google algorithms!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 29, 2020 1:12:33 GMT
Incidentally I just googled to find out more about this film and this thread was top of the search. JC and Ray must've really rocked the Google algorithms! No way! Are you sure you didn't just bring up your own search history?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 10:55:21 GMT
Incidentally I just googled to find out more about this film and this thread was top of the search. JC and Ray must've really rocked the Google algorithms! No way! Are you sure you didn't just bring up your own search history? Actually it was Bing
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Post by loveless on Jan 29, 2020 12:30:33 GMT
I think part of the mandate for anyone making a record or film or lawsuit is to "use the best shit" and present it in some optimal fashion (sequence, selection, etc.). Even something as seemingly raw and unpolished as Tonight's the Night has a certain spirit of performance and compelling abandon that carries it through.
One thing that has been wholly absent from every single iteration of this project is that type of judicious TLC. The people who typically made great Beatles records couldn't be bothered to dig in on this one, and...what you get, time and time again, is shoddy and indifferent. Glyn Johns, Phil Spector, Michael Lindsay Hogg, the Naked crew in 2003 - either through some inability to separate the wheat from the chaff and/or a series of misguided directives from unseen hands - none of them managed to assemble the ingredients that might have made it "equal to or greater than the sum of its parts".
If I'm feeling generous towards the advance word on this project, some large part of that stems from a sense that "If you have two hours of my favorite band kicking ass, you'd BETTER get it out there."
I hesitate to say "revisionist", if we're talking about lovingly chosen archival audio visual data. It's no different from what I do when I assemble any work of art - you generally build from your strengths, and (historically recorded disharmony, tension, fractures, strife, and impediments all duly noted) I would never accuse any previous caretakers of having fulfilled that mandate.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jan 29, 2020 13:10:16 GMT
Like G, I always thought all the stuff about this showing the band in the throes of disintegration was a bit of an overstatement. There's a dark mood to some of the scenes, but maybe that's partly to do with the fact that most of it's shot indoors with subtle lighting. And it ends with the rooftop gig, for fuck's sake.
The worst you get from this is nothing in comparison with more recent warts-and-all docs. I mean, 'I'll play whatever you want me to play' isn't exactly 'bleak' when put against Metallica calling each other 'fuckin' asshole'.
And yeah, even with low expectations, if we just 2 hours of them jamming on old rock and roll numbers, Ringo eating beans on toast, whatever - we're eager!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 13:27:54 GMT
I think the biggest problem then wasn't so much poor inter-band dynamics ( a factor, but as others have said vastly exagerrated as the tapes of the sessions certainly reveal a band often having a laugh together and getting off on jamming and playing.)as the inhospitable and alien Twickenham studios and that they were going back in the studio for another long project after having just done the mammoth sessions for The White Album. The Beatles workaholism was admirable in many ways, but you feel they could've benefited from a bit of a break at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 16:23:18 GMT
I'm going to write Peter Jackson and see if there's some lost footage of John Coan creating Preludin on his laptop.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jan 29, 2020 19:15:39 GMT
The preview being discussed was at the Grammy party given by the company I work for, which is Apple's parent company. Nobody I know or work with was invited (including one fairly high-up guy that I'm on friendly terms with who's a massive Beatle fan), so I have no insider information. I'm impressed with how secretive Apple is, though if there's any new music being released I imagine the licensing will pass my desk well before it's available to the public, so unless I'm sworn to secrecy I will share.
The fact that they're showing the preview at all suggests that it's pretty much done and ready to go, but the secrecy about it suggests they're still figuring out how to best manipulate the potential market. It'll be this year for sure, I should think, but we've all seen Beatle stuff get bogged down in hype and misinformation (like the Yellow Submarine re-release touting 'unreleased songs').
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:37:00 GMT
Thanks, Dave. Good to know.
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Post by quaco on Jan 31, 2020 1:31:31 GMT
Any new footage in good quality -- I'm all over it. Much more interesting than audio outtakes. There are so few films of them working in the studio. I wish they had thought of the idea of filming themselves much earlier!
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