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Post by Crunchy Col on May 5, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
I think some people are taking the question as 'can you tell the difference between chow mein and spag bol?' I'm pretty sure I couldn't tell the difference between plain boiled noodles and plain boiled spaghetti.
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Post by rayge on May 5, 2020 9:53:53 GMT
I meant irrelevant to this discussion, which is essentially about linguistics and Babel, not to the taste, texture or nutritive value of the foodstuffs in question. Apologies for the ambiguity
But the OP asked if you could tell the difference if blindfolded. Which you could, usually.
It's a bit like asking if scrambled eggs and omelettes are the same thing. Well, yes, but also no.
Oh the OP was just G throwing a whimsical wobbly after the *discussion* derailed the cooking and baking thread, and I was probably the only real participant, as the whole confusing the map with the territory thing is a linguistic and philosophical bugbear of mine.
Also, plain boiled unsauced white flour spaghetti and plain boiled unsauced white wheat flour noodles, I doubt I could tell the difference by sight, let alone taste. It's all about the adjectives.
Edit: wrote this before seeing John's post above.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 10:52:06 GMT
But the OP asked if you could tell the difference if blindfolded. Which you could, usually.
It's a bit like asking if scrambled eggs and omelettes are the same thing. Well, yes, but also no.
Oh the OP was just G throwing a whimsical wobbly after the *discussion* derailed the cooking and baking thread, and I was probably the only real participant, as the whole confusing the map with the territory thing is a linguistic and philosophical bugbear of mine.
Also, plain boiled unsauced white flour spaghetti and plain boiled unsauced white wheat flour noodles, I doubt I could tell the difference by sight, let alone taste. It's all about the adjectives.
Edit: wrote this before seeing John's post above.
Yeah, I didn't catch that thread.
I'm pretty sure I could tell the difference unsauced, if only by texture. I'd try it if I was actually interested in doing so.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 11:58:47 GMT
silly lads. Pasta is the italian name for the unleavened basic dough, usually but not always made from durum wheat, from which all those shapes, from sheets to vermicelli, are made, and is widely used in many but not all Anglophone countries as a generic term for anything made from pasta, whether freshly made and soft, or dried. So spaghetti 'is' pasta. Noodles is a word derived from German and used in many but not all Anglophone countries to refer to various preparations made from unleavened milled grains (including various forms of wheat as well as rice, and sometimes incorporating other ingredients such as eggs) that are then formed into strings or strips for cooking, and used either fresh or dried, and also used as a generic word for any dish containing or based on the use of noodles. So spaghetti 'is' noodles, although as spaghetti is an Italian word, it is usually called pasta. You're all just squabbling about words, not things. It's like quarreling over whether courgettes, baby marrows or zucchini are different plants, just because different people call them different things, or whether coriander or cilantro, or aubergines or eggplants, are somehow exalted or diminished by having different names. For the love of dog, get a fucking grip. There's far more important things going on in the world, like my toothache Rubbish. Different textures and different taste because they are not made in the same way. We are NOT talking about different words for the same thing here
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:02:03 GMT
I work in the food industry and I can assure it most definitely makes A big difference. It may be quite telling that heavily milled wheat - flour- is cheaper than whole wheats, despite the clearly higher processing cost. Why that is so is something for another time. I meant irrelevant to this discussion, which is essentially about linguistics and Babel, not to the taste, texture or nutritive value of the foodstuffs in question. Apologies for the ambiguity The discussion has always been about the differences in taste and texture. You're the one trying to shift the goalposts into a linguistics debate!
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Post by rayge on May 5, 2020 12:10:41 GMT
silly lads. Pasta is the italian name for the unleavened basic dough, usually but not always made from durum wheat, from which all those shapes, from sheets to vermicelli, are made, and is widely used in many but not all Anglophone countries as a generic term for anything made from pasta, whether freshly made and soft, or dried. So spaghetti 'is' pasta. Noodles is a word derived from German and used in many but not all Anglophone countries to refer to various preparations made from unleavened milled grains (including various forms of wheat as well as rice, and sometimes incorporating other ingredients such as eggs) that are then formed into strings or strips for cooking, and used either fresh or dried, and also used as a generic word for any dish containing or based on the use of noodles. So spaghetti 'is' noodles, although as spaghetti is an Italian word, it is usually called pasta. You're all just squabbling about words, not things. It's like quarreling over whether courgettes, baby marrows or zucchini are different plants, just because different people call them different things, or whether coriander or cilantro, or aubergines or eggplants, are somehow exalted or diminished by having different names. For the love of dog, get a fucking grip. There's far more important things going on in the world, like my toothache Rubbish. Different textures and different taste because they are not made in the same way. We are NOT talking about different words for the same thing here yes we are, or at least I am.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:13:45 GMT
Anyway the voting is 7 to 2 in favour of being able to tell the difference, so the point has been proved!
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Post by rayge on May 5, 2020 12:24:06 GMT
I meant irrelevant to this discussion, which is essentially about linguistics and Babel, not to the taste, texture or nutritive value of the foodstuffs in question. Apologies for the ambiguity The discussion has always been about the differences in taste and texture. You're the one trying to shift the goalposts into a linguistics debate! No it hasn't. It started because a Canadian described the past sheets used in lasagne as noodles because that's the way some Canadians refer to pasta. I don't think that anyone is maintaining that, say, plain rice noodles have the same taste and texture as plain wheat or buckwheat spaghetti, to pluck an example from thin air. It's just that linguistically, in current English anglophone usage, a noodle is defined as a generic term for a string or strip of unleavened dough, so spaghetti qualifies as a subset of noodle, while lasagne isn't. In Canada, obviously the usage is different. But there are loads of different kinds of noodle, just as there are loads of different kinds of pasta. Like I said before, the differences are all in the adjectives.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:27:23 GMT
The discussion has always been about the differences in taste and texture. You're the one trying to shift the goalposts into a linguistics debate! No it hasn't. It started because a Canadian described the past sheets used in lasagne as noodles because that's the way some Canadians refer to pasta. I don't think that anyone is maintaining that, say, plain rice noodles have the same taste and texture as plain wheat or buckwheat spaghetti, to pluck an example from thin air. John is!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:28:35 GMT
It's dependent on the labour for the texture and the flavour!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:31:42 GMT
Anyway the voting is 7 to 2 in favour of being able to tell the difference, so the point has been proved! I see three aliases have suddenly been roped in to add to the floundering no vote. Give up - accept defeat gracefully and learn.
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Post by Crunchy Col on May 5, 2020 12:46:38 GMT
G - it's time to confess that you cooked both last night and found NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER
People will respect you if you tell the TRUTH
Thanks,
The "Noods Is Spag" team
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on May 5, 2020 13:14:21 GMT
Send noods
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on May 5, 2020 13:14:42 GMT
Actually, on second thought, don't.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 25, 2020 22:44:16 GMT
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