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Post by fange on May 7, 2020 11:31:26 GMT
I remember when Ariana Grande was comedic relief on one of my daughter's Disney shows so it's interesting to see her career arc. Same here; Victorious and Sam and Cat were staples on the TV at our place while my girls were growing up, and both shows had their funny moments. (Zo and I still sing the 'Break things made of glass' song every so often and share a laugh). I have never liked AG's singing voice though, too high-pitched and slightly screechy.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 7, 2020 11:45:09 GMT
My sister's kid is 15 now and she's been to see Ariana twice now. She's a great kid. I've seen her singing along to stuff like 'thank u, next' and breaking her heart - like, tears falling down her cheeks. And I'm simultaneously thinking 'this is really sweet' and 'what the fuck is she getting from this?!?' - ultimately putting it down to the generation gap. It's very easy to say....generation gap and indulge in some kind of relativism. The standard response to criticism of modern pop music is to say the music isn't necessarily any worse but WE have changed. There is some truth in that we have changed but this stuff will not resonate with different generations born years after the event like Satisfaction or Cole Porter does. It exists in a very small bubble and has nothing to say to anybody outside of that. That's a sign of its limitations and quality too. Teenage girls will cry over any old shit, its a phase, it just so happens that in the past they had better music to do it too. It might sound harsh but you have a generation of kids raised on plastic culture. The equivalent of Frankenstein's monster, bits and pieces of older, superior music, bolted together on an Apple Mac and processed to within an inch of its life by some Swedish dj called Henrik.
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Post by fange on May 7, 2020 11:51:07 GMT
I wonder what Penk is up to now...?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 7, 2020 11:54:41 GMT
Listening to Cole Porter probably
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 11:55:03 GMT
I hate to sound like a Luddite as my views on electronic music are very different to traditionalists like Hatz and Davey, but ultimately technology has not been good for 21st century pop music.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 7, 2020 12:16:10 GMT
Chemical Brothers is the best track by a distance. I'm not convinced by them, they're sort of piecing together better bits from their influences and peers, but that beat is huge, and it's got some energy. The girl in the video looks like a slutty version of Mel or Sue (from Mel and Sue), no idea which is which.
Sugababes is the next best. It's leaning heavily on a classic riff which it doesn't do an awful lot with, but there's still a bit of slinkiness and pop attitude about it.
I never understood the love for Suzi Quatro, you'd hope that a female perspective would bring something different to the glam-rock scene, but everything she recorded is clunkier than the clunkiest of her male counterparts.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 7, 2020 12:16:57 GMT
I hate to sound like a Luddite as my views on electronic music are very different to traditionalists like Hatz and Davey, but ultimately technology has not been good for 21st century pop music. It's killed it.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 7, 2020 12:17:12 GMT
yes
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nooo!
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Post by fange on May 7, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
Not sure you can just blame the technology - it's the dearth of originality and creativity in its use that is more the issue, for mine.
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 7, 2020 14:10:35 GMT
Not sure you can just blame the technology - it's the dearth of originality and creativity in its use that is more the issue, for mine. Yeah, I don't buy that at all. In the '60s, technology was embraced by musicians and the Bealtles quit touring because they couldn't replicate their sound, live, although I think that's an excuse and they didn't need to tour. It's how you use the technology. Give my brother and me a hammer, nails and a bunch of boards and we will come up with two entirely different things - his good, mine crap.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 7, 2020 14:18:59 GMT
I'm really interested in changes in the way young people appreciate music - or what they expect from it.
I suspect naked emotion in whatever extreme form is valued more than melody in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 14:52:56 GMT
Not sure you can just blame the technology - it's the dearth of originality and creativity in its use that is more the issue, for mine. Yeah, I don't buy that at all. In the '60s, technology was embraced by musicians and the Bealtles quit touring because they couldn't replicate their sound, live, although I think that's an excuse and they didn't need to tour. It's how you use the technology. Well yes and no. Yes it's ultimately down to how the individual utilises it, but your argument fails to acknowledge how much technology has changed even from the early 90s. Ease and rapidity creating programmed sounds means it requires little human input,whereas in the 80s you still had to construct these sounds in an often laborious process.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 7, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
I suspect naked emotion in whatever extreme form is valued more than melody in 2020. I'm not convinced on that. Melody might not be as important, but there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of emoting going on in pop these days. If anything, the more indie-favourable bands are taking a leap towards mid 80s chirpy blandness, the latest by the likes of The 1975, Twenty One Pilots, and especially The Blossoms are leaning in a very Haircut 100/Agadoo direction.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 14:56:28 GMT
Haircut 100 and Agadoo are hardly the same thing!
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Post by DarknessFish on May 7, 2020 15:00:51 GMT
No disrespect to Black Lace was intended.
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