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Post by rayge on May 18, 2021 8:50:29 GMT
Too many high level military figures are now coming forward to say that there is something happening. We're being drip fed information I think. Meh.
Military figures of any kind are compromised 'witnesses'.
There is always 'something happening'. It's a function of consciousness. I'm not eating it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 8:52:00 GMT
What would it take to convince you?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 18, 2021 8:57:12 GMT
www.metabunk.org/threads/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.9333/This website goes into great detail to debunk some of this stuff. I am no scientist and obviously I am ignorant as sin but the debunking, to me anyway, appears plausible. If the debunking is correct then surely the Pentagon know this too and if that's the case why release the videos if they know what they actually are (or what they definitely aren't)? My suspicion would be is that they actually like the whole UFO phenomenon because it's a handy smokescreen that hides testing of actual US military craft/drones/whatever. If they are piloted craft and they aren't from the US then that would be a major security/intel failure and I don't think the US government would so publically reveal this which suggests to me that they know it isn't. I mean there's no way Russia or China could be that far ahead of us, no fucking way. I do find the whole thing fascinating. I've always liked daft shit like this and I used to read the Fortean times as a kid and watch anything on TV related to the supernatural etc. It's one of these phenomenons that tells you a lot about Us I guess. I mean is the rise of belief in aliens linked to, say, the decline in religious belief on one level?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:06:54 GMT
The navy sightings occured after an upgrade to the software and other technology in those particular aircraft. The technology is available to determine other aircraft and missiles or targets etc with extreme clarity. It's a mystery isn't it that the UFO is always fuzzy or lacking detail. We have thousands of reports of spaceships and lights or something hovering in the desert. Billions of phones able to catch what is witnessed and yet not a single frame exists.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:24:48 GMT
www.metabunk.org/threads/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.9333/This website goes into great detail to debunk some of this stuff. I am no scientist and obviously I am ignorant as sin but the debunking, to me anyway, appears plausible. If the debunking is correct then surely the Pentagon know this too and if that's the case why release the videos if they know what they actually are (or what they definitely aren't)? My suspicion would be is that they actually like the whole UFO phenomenon because it's a handy smokescreen that hides testing of actual US military craft/drones/whatever. If they are piloted craft and they aren't from the US then that would be a major security/intel failure and I don't think the US government would so publically reveal this which suggests to me that they know it isn't. I mean there's no way Russia or China could be that far ahead of us, no fucking way. I do find the whole thing fascinating. I've always liked daft shit like this and I used to read the Fortean times as a kid and watch anything on TV related to the supernatural etc. It's one of these phenomenons that tells you a lot about Us I guess. I mean is the rise of belief in aliens linked to, say, the decline in religious belief on one level? I once read that the F-117 nighthawk and other spy planes are regularly flown over urban and rural areas for the reason that the military actually want to know if they can be seen. The original U2 was silver and was responsible for droves of UFO sightings across the planet. In fact jet fighters were often silver during the UFO mad fifties. There is I believe natural phenomena in the atmosphere that have not been studied because of the rarity and difficulty of being in the right place at the right time. UFO reports are military hardware , natural occurrences or atmospheric tricks of the light. There are no craft traversing light years just to play with fighters or show off their new xenon lightbulbs.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:26:13 GMT
What would it take to convince you? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:29:03 GMT
www.metabunk.org/threads/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.9333/This website goes into great detail to debunk some of this stuff. I am no scientist and obviously I am ignorant as sin but the debunking, to me anyway, appears plausible. If the debunking is correct then surely the Pentagon know this too and if that's the case why release the videos if they know what they actually are (or what they definitely aren't)? My suspicion would be is that they actually like the whole UFO phenomenon because it's a handy smokescreen that hides testing of actual US military craft/drones/whatever. If they are piloted craft and they aren't from the US then that would be a major security/intel failure and I don't think the US government would so publically reveal this which suggests to me that they know it isn't. I mean there's no way Russia or China could be that far ahead of us, no fucking way. I do find the whole thing fascinating. I've always liked daft shit like this and I used to read the Fortean times as a kid and watch anything on TV related to the supernatural etc. It's one of these phenomenons that tells you a lot about Us I guess. I mean is the rise of belief in aliens linked to, say, the decline in religious belief on one level? Or it could just all be true and you might be overthinking it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:29:50 GMT
What would it take to convince you? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary facts. I don't know what that means.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:34:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:39:45 GMT
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary facts. I don't know what that means. Claim .The earth is flat. Proof. Belief Claim . Canals on Mars . Proof. Pictures , data , presence on the planet.
Claim. Alien spacecraft are here on earth now and have been for years. Proof. ( This is the bit you need to fill in)
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:48:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:55:56 GMT
But what I'm asking you is what kind of proof would you begin to find persuasive?
I'm not a 100 % believer by the way. For many years my view was the same as yours above - that the phenomena was a mixture of unusual meteorological conditions and advanced military testing. But I've shifted because the sheer weight of evidence does suggest there's something more happening.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 10:07:04 GMT
Interesting link - thanks. It doesn't debunk the story. It does expose flaws in the way the information was collated, but then if this phenomena is not taken seriously by academics, why would you expect them to get involved in a subsequent investigation? It's interesting that none of the children, who are now adults, have recanted their story as far as I'm aware.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 10:13:20 GMT
But what I'm asking you is what kind of proof would you begin to find persuasive? I'm not a 100 % believer by the way. For many years my view was the same as yours above - that the phenomena was a mixture of unusual meteorological conditions and advanced military testing. But I've shifted because the sheer weight of evidence does suggest there's something more happening. Oh god the idea is appealing and if it was the case then it changes everything. I mean I really did read an awful lot about this subject. I am the same as you, someone makes a claim and you want to know more. The thing is , if I wanted to claim I encountered a UFO in the mountains where I live and I claimed also that I encountered an alien how many would believe me , too many based on any real facts. I would warrant that someone else would have seen lights in the sky at the same time. You cannot have technology that can see the headlines of a newspaper being read in Moscow or a room in a building from three miles away being seen , targeted and destroyed and yet alien aircraft viewable from the cockpit becomes a blurry indistinguishable shape on camera. The pilot sees a UFO his equipment records something else. It is confusing and I suspect explainable. It would take a scenario straight out of a sci-fi movie to be honest. We are on the same page as ghosts and sea monsters. If there is something I would imagine Joe public would have as much evidence of it as the military or intelligence agencies have.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 10:17:39 GMT
Interesting link - thanks. It doesn't debunk the story. It does expose flaws in the way the information was collated, but then if this phenomena is not taken seriously by academics, why would you expect them to get involved in a subsequent investigation? It's interesting that none of the children, who are now adults, have recanted their story as far as I'm aware. No and they never will I think. Mass hysteria has a history and is (as much as it can be) grounded in factual evidence. Yeah. I know. You could counter against it.
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