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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 8:49:36 GMT
Priti Patel is the one MP that I think is beginning to attract the same levels of vituperative hatred that Thatcher did. I suspect that it is fired by A) her gender and B) her race. Ah. Right. Not her beliefs, then. Not the (rumoured, admittedly) bullying. Not the voting record, and not the lying. |
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Post by tory on May 19, 2020 8:55:49 GMT
You're right - I should have noted that those were factors rather than saying those alone.
People don't like her. Yes, they don't like her because of her beliefs and the fact that she's a Tory. I'd say though that there does seem to be an extra frisson of dislike about her - someone of an ethnic minority being tough on immigration!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 8:59:58 GMT
She's awful.
I think it's taken a little longer for people to realise this than usual, so now they see she's betraying her disadvantaged background by making it hard for immigrants (among other things) they're especially angry.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:00:58 GMT
I mean, she doesn't have a disadvantaged background, but that's what some people see.
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Post by tory on May 19, 2020 9:11:25 GMT
That's a difficult one I think. Many people of immigrant heritage are conservative and are as "anti-immigration" as the indigenous white population. It's not a simple dividing line or narrative.
Believe it or not, many Africans really like Boris Johnson.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 9:11:50 GMT
It can be all these things of course.
There is definitely a reaction you get from some left wingers towards BAME people who politically don't belong in the group they THINK they should belong too. "how can you be a Muslim and vote Tory?", that sorta thing. Like you have betrayed your own group and not behaved in a way WE (white people) deem appropriate.
Which if you think about it is a kind of low level prejudice....you belong to X group therefore you think think in a certain way that We deem fit. If not we will attack you.
Truthfully, I think Patel just looks a bit "smug" too. She has one of those faces.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:17:17 GMT
But all of this is secondary to what she has done.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:19:38 GMT
Here's Lee's original article before we start calling him a fascist and asking for him to be locked up and all his pens taken away from him. Stay alert! On Twitter, Tom Tugendhat, The Conservative MP for Tonbridge and Malling, is talking. There! He is thanking the prime minister for his “very clear message”. Tom Tugendhat! On Twitter! Now! He is enjoying the sheer coral sea clarity of the prime minister’s Sunday statement, like sunlight shining through spring water in Waterford crystal! Tom Tugendhat! He says: “Thank you prime minister. That’s leadership!”
Stay alert! This former intelligence officer is the nephew of a real man called Baron Tugendhat. Baron Tugendhat is not a character from a 19th-century German children’s book about a baron with a weird hat, the end of which gets tugged. But what did Tom Tugendhat want? Why was he bothering us?
Stay alert! Peasants! Get back to work! Over the top, boys! Gas! Gas! For God’s sake, gas! Writing in the 2012 book Britannia Unchained, The secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth affairs, Dominic Skeletor Raab, said of British workers, they “prefer a lie-in to hard work”, “are among the worst idlers in the world”, and expect to see laziness rewarded. If British workers were also serial liars, then our workforce would have been made in the image of our prime minister. Ha! I’m here all week! Maybe all year! Try the fish! Don’t forget to tip your healthcare worker!
Stay alert! Here at home, my family nag me to mend the gate, fix the dimmer switch, hoe the avocado trench. But I am a lazy British worker for whom the pandemic is an excuse to skive off and home-school the year four syllabus. Precipitation, Shinto and Cnut. My family won’t relent, so I have presented them with a simple graph. It shows that at some point I would do the things they wanted me to do, but it was impossible for me to say when that would be, or whether the things would be done well enough to remain done, or whether they would then have to be done again later at an unspecified date. And that seemed to satisfy them. The twats!
Stay alert! On Sunday night the prime minister appeared on television and presented his own graph, explaining his immediately discredited and internationally ridiculed New Vision of Lockdown Britain ™ ®. My 12-year-old, whose strongest subject is not maths, laughed openly at the graph, and said she would not have handed it in at school as neither the X or the Y axis contained any actual information, so it had no meaning. We are being guided by a graph that a schoolgirl would be ashamed to submit. All the prime minister’s shoddy homework suggested was that if some time passed, eventually some things would happen. Some of them might involve stick men jumping about or riding bikes. And although a blue line is going downwards, there was at least twice as much shading-in in the area showing The Future as there was in the area showing The Past. This suggests Covid-19 deaths will triple to around 90,000. Beat that Belgium! But the tear-jerking stupidity of the prime minister’s death-inducing graph did not deter the usual suspects from coming out in its defence, not least of all Tom Tugendhat, his fellow Tory MP Alan Abortionmaqaquesymptom being unavailable due to self-isolation. Because for loyal Tom Tugendhat, the prime minister’s offensively stupid night soil bucket of obfuscation was “a very clear message from @borisjohnson and a welcome explanation of the situation. By explaining the uncertainty and complexity @10downingstreet is allowing us all to think through the situation.” Nonsense, Tugendhat, and youknowsit, clart!
Stay alert! Something about the strange collision of unrelated words that form Tom Tugendhat’s surname means that whenever Tom Tugendhat appears in my visionary satire-dreams it is as a territorial army lieutenant colonel forcibly pulling at an end, presumably his own, that has become trapped in a hat, or in an intelligence officer’s wig of disguise. It’s past midnight, and now Baron Tugendhat is in my drunken nightmares, working undercover for James Bond’s great-grandfather, attending a lavish ceremonial dinner at Neuschwanstein castle. The future of Anglo-Bavarian trade relations depends on Baron Tugendhat also tugging his end free of a hat, on this occasion a Tyrolean Alpine bonnet, common to the region, a vagina dentata of felt and chamois leather.
Stay alert! (Readers in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own slogan.) You may meet one parent at a distance of two metres while the other parent waits in the car. Or you could employ them both at your small business and see them as much as you want. Stay alert! Don’t see your children. But if you are a teacher, see dozens of other people’s children in narrow corridors. Stay alert! Don’t drive. Unless you are driving to take exercise, in which case drive hundreds of miles. But don’t drive into Wales, for there be dragons. Like Schrödinger’s paradoxical cat, the prime minister’s New Vision of Lockdown Britain ™ ® is both stupid and stinks of cats’ piss, and now it has been shooed back out into the lane by Nicola Sturgeon.
Stay alert! Former environment secretary and Brexiter Owen Paterson will be rushing back to work, as his consultancy client Randox Laboratories has just been awarded the government’s £133m virus testing contract, unopposed. But Matt Handcock is unable to say whether other workers can refuse employers’ demands to return. Over the top! Gas, boys, gas! It’s the bonfire of rights Brexiters always dreamed of, delivered ahead of schedule by this coronavirus, a microscopic sleeper agent for the European Research Group.
Stay alert! Lazy British working-class workers. Die at your posts for Dominic Raab. Die in your warehouses for Jacob Rees-Mogg. Die in your care homes for Dominic Cumming. Middle-class workers. Work safely from home at your laptops. Text each other photographs of your Ocado deliveries, and dream of Center Parcs and Forest Holidays. Once I found it funny that the prime minister’s perfect storm of public desperation, manufactured xenophobia and ruthless dishonesty had seen this self-serving turd float to the toilet top. But now it’s just frightening. I worry for my children, my country, my avocado trench. Sort yourself out, wazzock. People are dying.www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/17/now-boris-johnson-is-talking-through-his-tugendhat |
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Post by tory on May 19, 2020 9:24:14 GMT
Of course Stewart Lee isn't a fascist and no-one is asking for his pens to be taken away.
The point both Dougie and I have been trying to make is that double-standards exist, so a bit of reflection from both sides wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:27:01 GMT
Yes, I know double-standards exist. That's not the point.
The point is that you're claiming SL is being hypocritical by laughing at someone's name. I'm not buying it, and neither is G.
(nice to have FOUR PEOPLE in this discussion! wow!)
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
You're right - I should have noted that those were factors rather than saying those alone. People don't like her. Yes, they don't like her because of her beliefs and the fact that she's a Tory. I'd say though that there does seem to be an extra frisson of dislike about her - someone of an ethnic minority being tough on immigration! She's incompetent and a nasty piece of work to boot. Absolutely nothing to do with her ethnicity. You're sidetracking the conversion again. |
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:37:50 GMT
The worrying thing is, when this happens, it's good news for someone like Patel because it becomes an argument she can easily win.
Instead of having to defend her appalling record, she just has to say 'well why SHOULDN'T a woman of Indian heritage do well in life?' - and listen to the applause!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 9:41:15 GMT
Yes, I know double-standards exist. That's not the point. The point is that you're claiming SL is being hypocritical by laughing at someone's name. I'm not buying it, and neither is G. (nice to have FOUR PEOPLE in this discussion! wow!) News just in....both John and G are NOT, I REPEAT NOT BUYING IT  it's laughing at someone's foreign name, an MP who happens to be a person from an immigrant Jewish background and that is the double standard. I would expect more sensitivity around that from the Guardian and from Lee himself, yeah? Like I said, flip it round...right wing paper publishes article taking the piss out of BAME MPs foreign sounding name, in any context, would be criticised by yer Guardian type readers. |
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 9:43:00 GMT
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:45:27 GMT
Yes, I know double-standards exist. That's not the point. The point is that you're claiming SL is being hypocritical by laughing at someone's name. I'm not buying it, and neither is G. (nice to have FOUR PEOPLE in this discussion! wow!) News just in....both John and G are NOT, I REPEAT NOT BUYING IT it's laughing at someone's foreign name, an MP who happens to be a person from an immigrant Jewish background and that is the double standard. I would expect more sensitivity around that from the Guardian and from Lee himself, yeah? 'happens to be' - in other words, you're admitting the possibility that Lee didn't even register this himself? There isn't even a hint of racism or anti-semitism in the article. I mean, nothing that could even be interpreted as such by someone who was actually LOOKING for it. And anyway - 'sensitivity' isn't what a comedian would be aiming for in a piece like this. Have a look at the article again. |
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