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Post by pandascream on May 26, 2020 22:27:45 GMT
Right on, lady.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 22:33:18 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 26, 2020 22:58:57 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I agree, and that is part of this delicate dance, it just that playing the race card trumps all others (at the moment) and she did seem to know what she was doing by invoking that. Now the the social media makes the condemnation thunder, but prior to that this could have gone down very badly as we still see in Minneapolis, Georgia, Nashville, etc.,
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 26, 2020 22:59:26 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I think the same thing. I don't like what she did, but it's far from the whole story. As far as we know. This woman's whole life is ruined because of this. What she did was terrible and she has to know it's on video for the whole world to see - 30 million views on the first day - but this could lead to suicide if she's unstable. Like I wrote, I wish there wasn't this whole throw the baby out with the bathwater thing on social media. I guess it's human nature to rush to judgement, and I've done it myself, but it gets out of hand.
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 26, 2020 23:00:00 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I agree, and that is part of this delicate dance, it just that playing the race card trumps all others (at the moment) and she did seem to know what she was doing by invoking that. Now the the social media makes the condemnation thunder, but prior to that this could have gone down very badly as we still see in Minneapolis, Georgia, Nashville, etc., There's that too. I get it. I wish there was a happy median.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 23:18:12 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I think the same thing. I don't like what she did, but it's far from the whole story. As far as we know. This woman's whole life is ruined because of this. What she did was terrible and she has to know it's on video for the whole world to see - 30 million views on the first day - but this could lead to suicide if she's unstable. Like I wrote, I wish there wasn't this whole throw the baby out with the bathwater thing on social media. I guess it's human nature to rush to judgement, and I've done it myself, but it gets out of hand. That's one of the problem isn't it, the sheer numbers. If you post " She's a nasty, despicable person who deserves all she gets", it's a rational response to what you've just seen. But if a 1000 other people post the same thing at the same time, it takes on a quite different complexion and can become a mob vigilante thing potentially.
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Post by Sneelock on May 26, 2020 23:20:02 GMT
I also get a bad taste in my mouth when the victim talks about his dog treat strategy and the woman's "Inner Karen" I'm reminded of "The Family" in Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451". everybody wants to take part in the drama and everybody gets the opportunity. it's nice seeing bad behavior addressed but the power of this "instant justice" is bound to be put to the test sooner rather than later.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on May 27, 2020 3:42:45 GMT
Eliza Orlins, a public defender who is running for Manhattan district attorney, said 911 calls had led to some of her clients being held in jail, where being locked up for even a day can produce devastating results. People can lose jobs, homes or custody of their children while they sit in jail on unproven charges, she said.
“This isn’t this one woman or this unique thing — this is a systemwide problem,” she said. “I think it’s chilling when you listen to just the audio of her 911 call, and you think about how credibly someone like her would present in court. There are so many consequences.”
Police officers arrived a short time after the 911 call but did not issue any summonses or make arrests. Online outrage focused on what could have happened and who would have been believed without the video. Ms. Cooper, who publicly apologized on Tuesday, was later terminated from her job at Franklin Templeton, an investment firm.
“Videos paint a story inside of a culture where a lot of the public has been trained and encouraged to not believe black people,” said Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, the nation’s largest online racial justice organization.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 8:20:40 GMT
Oh I agree, I do. But as I *wasn't* calling for her job to be taken, I nevertheless enjoy the fact that her behavior bit her on the arse.
Because we all know what happens when things are done because the populous wants it. Two words: Trump and Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 8:22:02 GMT
Happy birthday, btw, you big 8 year-old hopalong lovely boy.
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Post by cousinlou on May 27, 2020 8:46:08 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I am not a big fan of naming and shaming on social media either. The flipside is that without the video evidence, this could have turned out very badly for the man, especially in the US. An innocent man going into jail, with all possible consequences for him can't be pardoned on the basis that she might have mental issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 9:01:49 GMT
The woman behaved appallingly of course and her actions, effectively threatening to trump up a false charge, should be absolutely condemned. Nevertheless I'm uncomfortable with things like this getting played out in the court of social media. We don't know the underlying causes or context. Just because she's middle class and in a decent job, doesn't mean that she isn't suffering from mental health issues or having some sort of breakdown. I am not a big fan of naming and shaming on social media either. The flipside is that without the video evidence, this could have turned out very badly for the man, especially in the US. An innocent man going into jail, with all possible consequences for him can't be pardoned on the basis that she might have mental issues. I agree, but that's why it should be something for the authorities to act upon.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 12:33:30 GMT
In an ideal world, of course. But that's not the world we live in.
Instead of looking at it in terms of not seeing the whole picture and it's the mob calling for her head, look at it from a corporate point of view. We live in an age of social media and, unfortunately for the woman, that video was shared massively, her identity became known and the name of her employer. Regardless of context, her behaviour in that video was racist and was cruel to that animal and so she was not a good representative of her company. Oh that isn't my wording but HR departments are shit hot on that kind of thing. Especially in global investment firms like that.
You know what this discussion reminds me of? After Princess Diana died. The mob was whisked up into a frenzy about flags flying at half mast. Someone planted a seed and watched the anger brew.
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 27, 2020 14:25:21 GMT
I also get a bad taste in my mouth when the victim talks about his dog treat strategy and the woman's "Inner Karen" I'm reminded of "The Family" in Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451". everybody wants to take part in the drama and everybody gets the opportunity. it's nice seeing bad behavior addressed but the power of this "instant justice" is bound to be put to the test sooner rather than later. That bothered me too. That's just stupid, bringing dog treats - if I was a dog owner and some stranger offered my dog food, I'd be pissed off too. Just because he wants to see a rare yellow breasted sap sucker. I'll show you a sap sucker, buddy. Get the fuck away from my dog. Because videos have this documentary or slice of life feel to them, everyone takes them as credible. But remember, people leave shit out of documentaries and "slice" of life is just what it says it is.
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 27, 2020 14:28:49 GMT
Eliza Orlins, a public defender who is running for Manhattan district attorney, said 911 calls had led to some of her clients being held in jail, where being locked up for even a day can produce devastating results. People can lose jobs, homes or custody of their children while they sit in jail on unproven charges, she said.
“This isn’t this one woman or this unique thing — this is a systemwide problem,” she said. “I think it’s chilling when you listen to just the audio of her 911 call, and you think about how credibly someone like her would present in court. There are so many consequences.”
Police officers arrived a short time after the 911 call but did not issue any summonses or make arrests. Online outrage focused on what could have happened and who would have been believed without the video. Ms. Cooper, who publicly apologized on Tuesday, was later terminated from her job at Franklin Templeton, an investment firm.
“Videos paint a story inside of a culture where a lot of the public has been trained and encouraged to not believe black people,” said Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, the nation’s largest online racial justice organization. Definitely, it can be an unraveling thing there too My 17 year-old son has an arrest on his record now. His sister, mom and I have told him that if the cops stop him for anything, find that, there are no more questions, and more than likely he goes right to jail. I don't know if he appreciates having a record, but it can take years to be expunged. He's lucky the county gave him a counseling option. But it's not just described above. Every job application asks if you've ever been convicted of a crime. How many of those folks get the job they're applying for?
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