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Post by fange on Jun 1, 2020 7:38:34 GMT
Sorry for the unwieldy title, but i'd love to hear people's thoughts on Latin musics in all its forms, but also the influence it has had on rock, soul, pop, jazz and anything else.
What do you love, what don't you love, and why?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 7:42:27 GMT
It's a big question...not sure where to start!
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Post by fange on Jun 1, 2020 7:49:53 GMT
Gimme whatever you got, G man!
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Post by fonz on Jun 1, 2020 10:10:35 GMT
I've got a couple of bossa nova sets, with loads of tunes from the 50's and 60's. Great summer easy listening.
I love Al di Meola. Lots of latin influence in most things he does, and plenty of other fusion artists.
The latin/flamenco crossover vibe is a cool mood for the summer months. Implied passion, grace and fire!
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 1, 2020 17:07:56 GMT
Carlos' brother, Jorge, who was in Malo, just died. Grew up in the Mission district of San Francisco.
Growing up and living in California, it's hard to escape the influence of Chicano or Hispanic culture in anything. Every other town has a Spanish name and the 1/5th of the population of the town I grew up in originally came from the Michoacan area of Mexico. I don't think that's probably true anymore though. I'm as Anglo as they come, but it's pretty inextricably linked if you're Californian. I would bet Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas natives would pretty much say the same.
You hear some form of Hispanic music pretty much everywhere - open car windows, Tacquerias, you name it.
And don't tell me Chris Chopping can make a decent enchilada. Loco en el cerebro to think otherwise.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 1, 2020 21:21:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 9:42:36 GMT
Carlos Santana ... I was aware of him and his music as a small child ... he's a bit of a legend for me. I'm probably romanticising it but some of that stuff is utterly utterly sublime. Even pop stuff of others can tap into something just extraordinary with his playing, it's hard resisting buying into his mystic music shtick. He is magic.
I know that people like different music. Everything's subjective. But I still think that if you don't like his playing on 'Oye Como Va', you must have no soul
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 10:13:01 GMT
OK, the Gypsy Kings. Way too cheesy for the tastes of people here. But it has its place. Did you know that they were a French band? From Arles, in the south, where Van Gogh lived, painted inter alia Sunflowers, and where Gaugin visited him. There's a strong Spanish/north African gypsy population there even now and Rumba Flamenco artist Jose Reyes (Reyes meaning 'Kings') started a family band which travelled around France. A founding member of that band as Gypsy Kings was a local called Chico Bouchikhi (whose brother Ahmed was one of the men murdered by Mossad agents in Lillehammer in 1973 being mistaken for a Black September gang member), he started his own breakoff band, Chico and the Gypsies. It's easy to dismiss them but they were part of the centre of the beau monde in the south, Bardot was and still is a big fan - it got her into the whole gypsy thing - and in situ especially there is a charm about them (I saw a 50-strong band of guitarists play the Roman stadium in Arles under a hot summer night sky), the playing is stunning. They've done some interesting collaborations too Yes, yes it is to us cheesy, polished, but in a more raw and natural setting it is quite something. It's easier to notice/be impressed by the playing when there are fewer of them. Two playing here: Bardot and Chico: and in this one Chico's just out of the shot on this one but she celebrated her 70th birthday with them
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Post by fange on Jun 2, 2020 10:37:16 GMT
Carlos Santana ... I was aware of him and his music as a small child ... he's a bit of a legend for me. I'm probably romanticising it but some of that stuff is utterly utterly sublime. Even pop stuff of others can tap into something just extraordinary with his playing, it's hard resisting buying into his mystic music shtick. He is magic. I know that people like different music. Everything's subjective. But I still think that if you don't like his playing on 'Oye Como Va', you must have no soul Nice one, thang. I'm not a massive fan of Carlos' recent work, but the band Santana was extraordinary for at least the first 5 or so albums, and his playing was a big big part of that. A personal fave is Santana doing Jobim on 'Stone Flower', so a great mix of Latin and rock elements.
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Post by fange on Jun 2, 2020 10:46:27 GMT
I guess it's an obvious choice, but 'Manteca' still thrills me to the fucking core every time I hear it.
Imagine being in a club in New York in 1948 and hearing Dizzy and orchestra slamming this one, with Chano Pozo screaming "MANTECA!!!!" as he hammers his congas.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 14:50:05 GMT
I guess it's an obvious choice, but 'Manteca' still thrills me to the fucking core every time I hear it. Imagine being in a club in New York in 1948 and hearing Dizzy and orchestra slamming this one, with Chano Pozo screaming "MANTECA!!!!" as he hammers his congas. The only Manteca I knew of was a Sacramento delta town between the Bay Area and Sacramento. Thanks.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 17:29:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 13:15:56 GMT
I posted this on the Cardi B thread I started a while back. I loved it, still love it, adore the sample it uses 'I like it like that' performed (but not written) by Pete Rodriguez in 1967, which was boogaloo apparently. I love the syncopation, the relaxed delay on the beat which slides smoothly into the groove (same reason I love Richie Hayward's drumming), love the sass.
The problem is I'm an older white woman living in the rural England who doesn't keep up with media let along much music. So I'm going by what I've been exposed to in the past. Which really is fuck all. I know I like the songs when I hear them but I can't bring them to mind, I don't know them well enough. So when they are sampled for commercial pop songs I can look them up online and read about the styles and explore. But it does take an effort, have to want to explore it rather than coming upon it. Which is why music discussion boards are/should be a good place to discover more. Obviously.
I can't find the video where the lyrics and the different styles/countries in the song are explained, here's a translation anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 14:48:59 GMT
Not mentioned yet strangely, but it was the first thing I thought of, but basically any releases from Salsoul. They pretty much put the Latin into disco. I'll try and post some vids later.
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Post by fange on Jun 4, 2020 10:39:41 GMT
Willie Bobo is a fucking legend, and this is one of my favourite tracks by anyone ever. It has such an effortless cool and so much zest.
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