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Post by tory on Jun 3, 2020 7:51:26 GMT
That is true. It does work both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 10:21:35 GMT
Saying you are against virtue signalling is the new virtue signalling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 11:55:33 GMT
Emma Watson is getting shit for putting a white border around her blackout picture on her Instagram. She is being accused of "performance activism". I think giving out about virtue signalling with more virtue signalling is the new virtue signalling.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Jun 3, 2020 12:22:37 GMT
Why has she done that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 12:38:16 GMT
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jun 3, 2020 13:54:56 GMT
Two things can be true at once:
- A person can believe the substance of what they are saying...
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- Social media is essentially performative...
So the question isn’t whether someone is virtue signaling - but whether they are ONLY virtue signaling (ie: they aren’t sincere and are only saying what they say for attention). I don’t believe that many people do that.
But sure - a lot of us signal virtue by saying out loud what we believe. How is that a bad thing? Shouldn’t we all be trying to be better people? Shouldn’t we be trying to be a positive example?
Accusing someone of virtue signaling as a means of dismissing them is simply a way of announcing one’s chosen ignorance.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 3, 2020 15:14:39 GMT
I'd rather signal virtue than vice, even though it might make me seem cooler to do the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 15:25:00 GMT
Disagree, i prefer people speaking out with a bit of integrity rather than just do it and forget 5 minutes later if they did or not. Then when you ask them anything about the situation they don't have a clue. Plus the people actually affected would prefer genuine interest rather than a passing patronizing one. Bono's the classic example and has being doing it for years before it became a thing.
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Post by Charlie O. on Jun 3, 2020 17:37:53 GMT
Bono's the classic example and has being doing it for years before it became a thing. As irritating as Bono surely can be, I'd counter that he's an uncommonly good example of someone using their celebrity to actually do some good in the world. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono#Philanthropic_work
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Post by cousinlou on Jun 3, 2020 17:57:04 GMT
Two things can be true at once: - A person can believe the substance of what they are saying... And - Social media is essentially performative... So the question isn’t whether someone is virtue signaling - but whether they are ONLY virtue signaling (ie: they aren’t sincere and are only saying what they say for attention). I don’t believe that many people do that. But sure - a lot of us signal virtue by saying out loud what we believe. How is that a bad thing? Shouldn’t we all be trying to be better people? Shouldn’t we be trying to be a positive example? Accusing someone of virtue signaling as a means of dismissing them is simply a way of announcing one’s chosen ignorance. There’s a difference between the free of charge saying things on social media and actually doing things. It’s rare that people working in community kitchens, for instance, rush home and tell the facebookers what they have just been upto.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 18:39:26 GMT
Bono's the classic example and has being doing it for years before it became a thing. As irritating as Bono surely can be, I'd counter that he's an uncommonly good example of someone using their celebrity to actually do some good in the world. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono#Philanthropic_workI don't know if you've ever seen the big bang theory sitcom or not, but there's one episode where Amy spoils raiders of the lost ark for the boys. She points out that Indiana jones had no bearing on the outcome of the whole plot, he was just there. Well Bono is Indiana in this case. He showed up at live aid the same as everyone else, he lent his name to promoting africa but actually did fuck all, and he sure as fuck did nothing for the peace process when he held trimble and Hume's hand at the concert. Considering his wealth he has give a disappropriate small amount to charity. This confuses Americans as much as everyone else, but Bono isn't well liked in Ireland, i'd say it's 50/50 if he's lucky. The latter has nothing to do with his "charity work" but i like pointing it out anyway.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 17, 2021 15:37:05 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 17, 2021 16:33:11 GMT
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-say-we-are-left-speechless-by-afghanistans-pain/ar-AANq0wfI think what most people intuitively grasp is that "virtue signalling" gestures are fake, at least on one level anyway in most instances. Good people who do good things - as opposed to people who claim they are good by posting something on Twitter or instagram - often stay quiet about it because they are not in it for those reasons. Therefore people who do advertise their virtue in this way, especially celebrity types, without necessarily doing anything, naturally wind people up and people feel, with some justification imo, that they say shit like for reasons that are disingenuous. Your average person, who is more in tune with how their brains work senses this hence why the phrase was invented. I'm sure people who do this are a Type who have always existed but this kind of performative act is worse these days cos of social media and all the lefty cultural nonsense where this stuff is used to gain power and influence by pretending you are a "moral person" by reaffirming your tribal identity as well as reinforcing the pseudo religious social norms of that group.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 17, 2021 16:50:27 GMT
I yam wearing a mask because I yam so . I need to deal with this shit on a DAILY basis. people I don't know come up to me with motherfucking HATE in their eyes. many tell me that I think I'm better than them because I am wearing a fucking mask.
I saw an anti-vax freshman GOP congress guy use the word "" 4 times in 3 minutes. I'm told that me and my fellow mask wearers are just trying to make THEM look bad. I need to deal with people who not only THINK like that but feel totally comfortable TALKING like that and their numbers are growing.
IMO all this "/virtue signalling" talk is making it worse. furthermore, I think it is being employed as a political strategy. it's like trying to talk to somebody's Brother in Law about the Climate Crisis. I don't REALLY care about the climate or I wouldn't be drinking a beer. I'm just a big hypocrite. let's go fracking!!
it's turning people into brick walls.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 17, 2021 17:47:01 GMT
It's kinda like seeing value/virtue in cod reggae.
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