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Post by ~ / % ? * on Jun 2, 2020 16:55:06 GMT
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
6. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
12. I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
17. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
18. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to “the person in charge,” I will be facing a person of my race.
19. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.
21. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, or feared.
22. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of race.
23. I can choose public accommodations without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
24. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
25. If my day, week, or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has racial overtones.
26. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more less match my skin.
© 1989 Peggy McIntosh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:00:34 GMT
Is White Privilege in every country in the world? is there a certain percentages in demographics in a country before White Privilege can be considered a issue?
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Jun 2, 2020 17:15:05 GMT
Good question. Probably, yes, wherever there is a history of a White majority-minority relationship. History and patriarchy seem to be as important any percentage.
I see a pattern running through the matrix of white privilege, a pattern of assumptions that were passed on to me as a white person. There was one main piece of cultural turf; it was my own turf, and I was among those who could control the turf. My skin color was an asset for any move I was educated to want to make. I could think of myself as belonging in major ways and of making social systems work for me. I could freely disparage, fear, neglect, or be oblivious to anything outside of the dominant cultural forms. Being of the main culture, I could also criticize it fairly freely.
In proportion as my racial group was being made confident, comfortable, and oblivious, other groups were likely being made inconfident, uncomfortable, and alienated. Whiteness protected me from many kinds of hostility, distress and violence, which I was being subtly trained to visit, in turn, upon people of color. © 1989 Peggy McIntosh
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 2, 2020 17:15:30 GMT
I think that depends on how white you are. I’ve got some paint store swatches. I think I’m “eggshell”
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 17:34:46 GMT
I bring this up fairly frequently, but I live in a town that's 2/3rds Asian - Indian and East Asian. Anglos make up a quarter of the population. Have for 25+ years. A lot of the old-timers have problems with this as it was kind of a blue collar crackerish town a generation ago. There's a section of town where all the old crackers seemed to have moved. It's a high crime neighborhood. Not the more ethnic sections of town. There's some Hispanic gang problems, but that's gone down a lot.
Grew up in a town with a large Hispanic population on the other side of SF Bay that was 1/2 Hispanic.
When I visited England almost 10 years ago, I was shocked by all the White faces. What shocked me even more is I'm Caucasian and it surprised me. I've never felt so White in all my life.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Jun 2, 2020 17:36:38 GMT
I grew up not seeing a single non-white face. In fact no fucker from any other town
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 17:38:31 GMT
This is always a fun example. In my early 20s, my friends and I were driving on a Friday night after having dinner at a Mexican restaurant in my hometown. I was the only white guy. The other two were Hispanic. Cops stopped us and asked us if we've been drinking. Each of us had had a beer or two during dinner.
It wasn't my car, but the cop told me to get in the driver's seat and drive everyone home. We agreed, I drove around the block, and my friend and the car owner, got back in the driver's seat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:43:50 GMT
Good question. Probably, yes, wherever there is a history of a White majority-minority relationship. History and patriarchy seem to be as important any percentage. I see a pattern running through the matrix of white privilege, a pattern of assumptions that were passed on to me as a white person. There was one main piece of cultural turf; it was my own turf, and I was among those who could control the turf. My skin color was an asset for any move I was educated to want to make. I could think of myself as belonging in major ways and of making social systems work for me. I could freely disparage, fear, neglect, or be oblivious to anything outside of the dominant cultural forms. Being of the main culture, I could also criticize it fairly freely.
In proportion as my racial group was being made confident, comfortable, and oblivious, other groups were likely being made inconfident, uncomfortable, and alienated. Whiteness protected me from many kinds of hostility, distress and violence, which I was being subtly trained to visit, in turn, upon people of color. © 1989 Peggy McIntosh Don't know i if can accept the probably yes without proper research ( not by you obviously). I'm asking is white privilege an issue in Ireland? We have racism here, every country does, but i don't think we could be lumped in with the US or Britain in terms of white privilege. We have more issues with travellers than any person who isn't white.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:56:28 GMT
I bring this up fairly frequently, but I live in a town that's 2/3rds Asian - Indian and East Asian. Anglos make up a quarter of the population. Have for 25+ years. A lot of the old-timers have problems with this as it was kind of a blue collar crackerish town a generation ago. There's a section of town where all the old crackers seemed to have moved. It's a high crime neighborhood. Not the more ethnic sections of town. There's some Hispanic gang problems, but that's gone down a lot. Grew up in a town with a large Hispanic population on the other side of SF Bay that was 1/2 Hispanic. When I visited England almost 10 years ago, I was shocked by all the White faces. What shocked me even more is I'm Caucasian and it surprised me. I've never felt so White in all my life. Shocked seems an odd thing to say about a North European country. Of course there are plenty of cities in the UK where you wouldn't have had this experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 18:01:25 GMT
I bring this up fairly frequently, but I live in a town that's 2/3rds Asian - Indian and East Asian. Slight tangent, but did you happen to watch that show "Warrior"? it's the tv show Bruce lee wanted to make back in the day but couldn't. Anyway it depicts how Asians were treated in the san fran area. It didn't paint us Irish well either in relation to the Asians but i'd well believe it considering the time its set in. Every ethnic group for themselves.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 18:02:24 GMT
I bring this up fairly frequently, but I live in a town that's 2/3rds Asian - Indian and East Asian. Anglos make up a quarter of the population. Have for 25+ years. A lot of the old-timers have problems with this as it was kind of a blue collar crackerish town a generation ago. There's a section of town where all the old crackers seemed to have moved. It's a high crime neighborhood. Not the more ethnic sections of town. There's some Hispanic gang problems, but that's gone down a lot. Grew up in a town with a large Hispanic population on the other side of SF Bay that was 1/2 Hispanic. When I visited England almost 10 years ago, I was shocked by all the White faces. What shocked me even more is I'm Caucasian and it surprised me. I've never felt so White in all my life. Shocked seems an odd thing to say about a North European country. Of course there are plenty of cities in the UK where you wouldn't have had this experience. Well, it was Chester. I haven't felt that way as much in London, but they are still awful White compared to the US, in general, and the Bay Area, where I've lived most of my life. At the end of the month, I'm travelling three hours north to a semi-rural area. You see a lot more White faces up there than the urban and suburban areas I'm from. Very Chester like. Once you get out of the Bay Area, it's largely White and Hispanic.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 18:05:09 GMT
I bring this up fairly frequently, but I live in a town that's 2/3rds Asian - Indian and East Asian. Slight tangent, but did you happen to watch that show "Warrior"? it's the tv show Bruce lee wanted to make back in the day but couldn't. Anyway it depicts how Asians were treated in the san fran area. It didn't paint us Irish well either in relation to the Asians but i'd well believe it considering the time its set in. Every ethnic group for themselves. The Bay Area has changed a lot in the last generation. Tech has done that. And immigration. The Bay Area has always had a large Chinese and Japanese population, but San Francisco was dominated by Irish and Italian. In fact, what's now the Castro, was really Irish. It used to be called Eureka Valley when it was largely Irish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 18:11:22 GMT
Slight tangent, but did you happen to watch that show "Warrior"? it's the tv show Bruce lee wanted to make back in the day but couldn't. Anyway it depicts how Asians were treated in the san fran area. It didn't paint us Irish well either in relation to the Asians but i'd well believe it considering the time its set in. Every ethnic group for themselves. The Bay Area has changed a lot in the last generation. Tech has done that. And immigration. The Bay Area has always had a large Chinese and Japanese population, but San Francisco was dominated by Irish and Italian. In fact, what's now the Castro, was really Irish. It used to be called Eureka Valley when it was largely Irish. Yeah i had friends that didn't have to buy a pint for a week just because they were Irish when they were in san fran.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 2, 2020 18:17:01 GMT
there's a viral video going around of two cops at a Seattle protest. one cop has his knee on a protester's neck - just like the cop in the George Floyd case. this goes on for a couple of minutes. you can hear people yelling "get your knee off his fuckin' neck!!!" then something wonderful happens. the other cop TOOK the officers knee off the protestor's neck. www.salon.com/2020/06/01/get-your-fcking-knee-off-his-neck-seattle-officer-forcibly-removes-fellow-cops-knee-amid-arrest/okay, so the second cop saved the day. no doubt about it. what about the people yelling "get your knee off his fuckin' neck?" well, for all we know, they may have been an important factor in the second cop taking action. regardless of who shows up and does what and why; a LOT, maybe even MOST of the people showing up are doing so for one very simple reason. nobody took that other officer's fuckin' knee off George Floyd's neck.
we're coming off a lockdown and being told to go back to our normal lives as the death toll from COVID 19 rises steadily. recent events have been loaded with racially charged incidents. treating all of these people like hooligans because hooliganism is either present or likely only helps people like TRUMP and his supporters. they want to paint a picture that shows "those people act like animals" who really thinks addressing police brutality with police brutality is a sound solution? anybody? TRUMP and his supporters - that's who.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 2, 2020 18:21:50 GMT
The Bay Area has changed a lot in the last generation. Tech has done that. And immigration. The Bay Area has always had a large Chinese and Japanese population, but San Francisco was dominated by Irish and Italian. In fact, what's now the Castro, was really Irish. It used to be called Eureka Valley when it was largely Irish. Yeah i had friends that didn't have to buy a pint for a week just because they were Irish when they were in san fran. When Kid P was here one time, I directed him to an Irish pub on Clement St. Kid P loves his Guinness and he was pretty surprised at the quality. He said it was the best Guinness he'd had on tap apart from Liverpool. You can tell a good Irish bar or pub in the Bay Area by the tradesmens' vans with clovers on the side panels. Just look around 4 pm or after.
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