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Post by Crunchy Col on Jun 10, 2020 21:16:21 GMT
Well?
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 10, 2020 22:05:56 GMT
Opinion or Fact?
I am six foot three.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 10, 2020 22:23:38 GMT
Clear? Yes. Bold? Maybe. What constitutes a 'fact' is an a societal agreement as to what language is agreed to do describe certain phenomena. Sociologists, psychologists, linguists, philosophers, etc. will always have a field day with this. For instance: "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is in the key of G. - fact. But only because we are using the western A-440 scale as an agreed-to cultural definition of key. The first note vibrates at X amount of times per second would also be a fact, but one that only people who understand physics better than I do would be privy to. "I Want to Hold your Hand" was a number one hit - also a fact. But probably meaningless to a tribesman in the Brazilian Rainforest. "I Want to Hold Your Hand" is a great song - also a fact.  (Kidding.) I guess one way to put it is that what constitutes fact is the result of a mutual agreement that everyone discussing the matter is using the same system of measurement. |
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 10, 2020 22:47:13 GMT
very good.
so then, we can all agree that I am six foot three.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 10, 2020 22:48:22 GMT
As measured with baby feet, yes.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Jun 11, 2020 0:31:49 GMT
The answer is: Sometimes.
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 11, 2020 1:10:55 GMT
Six foot five and a half.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 2:28:27 GMT
very good. so then, we can all agree that I am six foot three. On the inside, you are a shooting guard fighting to get the rock..Shine on you crazy MJ.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 5:01:51 GMT
What constitutes a 'fact' is a societal agreement as to what language is agreed to do describe certain phenomena. I guess one way to put it is that what constitutes fact is the result of a mutual agreement that everyone discussing the matter is using the same system of measurement.
And is that a fact, or opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 5:15:34 GMT
Many people are increasingly incapable.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 11, 2020 6:38:41 GMT
What constitutes a 'fact' is a societal agreement as to what language is agreed to do describe certain phenomena. I guess one way to put it is that what constitutes fact is the result of a mutual agreement that everyone discussing the matter is using the same system of measurement.
And is that a fact, or opinion?
Good question! I think it might be a theory, which is somewhere in the middle. Based in observation, but without the agreed-to consensus? |
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Post by rayge on Jun 11, 2020 7:49:33 GMT
We can all draw it, but not necessarily in the same place.
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Post by cousinlou on Jun 11, 2020 11:16:24 GMT
Is there a clear line between opinion and fact? Yes, there certainly is. The trick is in the 'can we'. In 99% of the cases the answer would be no and in the remaining 1% we'd be unable to tell.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Jun 11, 2020 11:26:53 GMT
Is there a clear line between opinion and fact? Yes, there certainly is.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 11:34:10 GMT
I don't think its possible, in a perfect world we'd wait to give our opinion after we got all the facts. That rarely happens, and depending on the situation if you were to say that you're waiting for the facts before giving your opinion, you're a cunt. So what do you do?
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