The funky soul nuggets thread

[fange]

Just like it says on the tin - a place to put those funky soul tracks that abounded in the 60s and 70s (and later too); not necessarily from famous artists, but which deserve to be remembered and treasured like the garage nuggets often are.


Here's one for y'all - The Third Guitar feat. Eddie Holloway - 'Baby Don't Cry'

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This thread is right up my strasse, though I'm somewhat ignorant.

But I do know that James used to say "Give me the one!"

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Jun 28, 2020 11:09:14 GMT @msthang said:

This thread is right up my strasse, though I'm somewhat ignorant.

But I do know that James used to say "Give me the one!"

Interesting, lots of great visuals, lots of inaccurate info
George is the definition of an unreliable narrator
Need some more on the Process Church.

Sly, Arthur Lee, Jimi, Chambers Brothers, etc., are all part of rock and roll continuum with black artists. I think one of the reasons rock is seen as faltering currently is the seeking of a hard fast/punk ground zero definition that ignores rock's value as a crossroads for all genres and experiments. As it has become strictly about the noise of solid body guitars and less about the melodies, rhythms, and harmonies, derived from everywhere it has shriveled.


EWF, War, Isleys, all sold better than P Funk, which meant white crossover ( they could do 15-20K arenas) P Funk definitely had an underground aspect until they didn't, probably from 77/78 on (without the big product sales, like the Dead, they could still tour big and do arenas). Mandrill, Meters, Graham Central, etc., were 2nd tier in terms of popularity (1.5k-3-5K seaters)  but not artistically. Most of these acts were popular mainly on the East Coast/West Coast with Michigan/Illinois.   Playing on the one defines Funk, but not necessarily being funky or 'in the groove'. Even as the 70s came to a close Sly still put down harder funking albums than many of the aforementioned.

[fange]

One to take Sloop back to his old days...





Same group that did 'Acid Lady'

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Sorry Fange I diverged a bit. But funk came from soul and it's about the rhythm. So what makes something funk and what makes soul funky?

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There's too many records for me to consider, you're talking about half my record collection. That's the problem with these YouTube threads, they're like a bottomless sea! That's why I prefer to introduce my nuggets in cup competitions where there's some context.
Still I don't want to be a thread crapper, so here's an old favourite.

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Jun 29, 2020 9:47:17 GMT @msthang said:

Sorry Fange I diverged a bit. But funk came from soul and it's about the rhythm. So what makes something funk and what makes soul funky?

As Rayge said to me, it came from R 'n' B not soul, d'uh.  He also told me about defining soul, I asked him to put it on the board but he said he's put it on a board loads of times

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Yeah we've heard it before....

[rayge]

Jun 29, 2020 11:06:30 GMT @msthang said:

Jun 29, 2020 9:47:17 GMT @msthang said:

Sorry Fange I diverged a bit. But funk came from soul and it's about the rhythm. So what makes something funk and what makes soul funky?

As Rayge said to me, it came from R 'n' B not soul, d'uh.  He also told me about defining soul, I asked him to put it on the board but he said he's put it on a board loads of times

It's what got me on to BCB in the first place, arguing with the Count, among others , but basically, one more time.

When I first started getting into music in the early 1960s, 'soul' was a new concept, brought in to describe the variations in R&B (then the blanket term for all black American dance music – apart from jump, which was basically up-tempo doo-wop and essentially a vocal group style) introduced by Ray Charles with records like What'd I Say. It was essentially a vocal performance style rather than a separate genre which made use of characteristics of black American gospel music, featuring call and response, emotional, full-throated vocals, 'testifying', and vocal tricks such as screaming, whooping, sobbing and melisma, and a label that was also applied to pop and ballad songs by artists who had grown up with church music - such as the Warwick sisters, Irma Thomas or Maxine Brown, or who had crossed over from gospel, such as Sam Cooke. Then there were vocalists who didn't have that background, who were white (Timi Yuro and the pre-Spector Righteous Brothers for instance) or who had come out of vocal groups/popular music, who could adopt the style (Ben E King and Marvin Gaye exemplars). This was in the early 1960s. Later on, it came to be used as a blanket term to cover black American musican of all types, in much the same way as R&B and, before that, 'Race music'.

What James Brown did in inventing, or codifying Funk as a genre, was to move away from the backbeat that had characterized R&B and place all the emphasis on The One and reintroducing strict tempo. At the same time, in my view, he stripped away some of the histrionic vocal tropes that had made him a great soul vocalist on material such as Please, Please, Please or The Bells in favour of what I saw as a basically grunting style on material like Papa's got a Brand New Bag, so he basically created funk as a sort of antithesis of soul, and as someone who wasn't ever interested in dancing but loved the emotion and drama of soul records, I resented it.

Of course, 50 years later, I no longer feel passionately about this – although I can still summon up a simulacrum of it for the entertainment (or otherwise) of others – and I realize that I've lost the pedantry wars, but that's how I felt in the 1960s.

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Jun 29, 2020 11:53:57 GMT @madcyril1 said:

Yeah we've heard it before....

And never managed to refute it, to the best of my recollection

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Usually, no more than $5 (inflation adjusted) , on a Thursday through Sunday night, sometimes afternoon matinees


Where There's A Will - Five Blind Boys Of Mississippi Feat. Archie Brownlee

[fange]

Yay for a Rayge old school anti-funk post i enjoy reading but don't agree with! The world is as it should be.

[fange]

Jun 29, 2020 10:32:38 GMT @madcyril1 said:

There's too many records for me to consider, you're talking about half my record collection. That's the problem with these YouTube threads, they're like a bottomless sea! That's why I prefer to introduce my nuggets in cup competitions where there's some context.
Still I don't want to be a thread crapper, so here's an old favourite.

The Cups are too few and far between now, G, and probably dead in all honesty. There are fewer posters, and the fire is gone from those contestants who used to join anyway; we may never get a chance to play or share nuggets like this again.

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Getting back to what the OP intended