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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 28, 2020 8:39:14 GMT
There's a nice article in one of the mags this month - I'll see if I can find it for you
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 28, 2020 8:46:12 GMT
There's a nice article in one of the mags this month - I'll see if I can find it for you It's in Uncut. If you PM me your email address I can send you the pdf.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 8:49:54 GMT
That's kind of you, but don't worry, I'll read it in WH Smith's!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 28, 2020 9:00:41 GMT
They're still good for something, then!
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 28, 2020 15:49:17 GMT
I agree with 'hatz about MC5. on paper they sound like exactly the sort of thing I should get excited about. they just never got my little, tiny hairs to stand up. I guess when you think fucking in the streets is a political expression you don't have much energy saved for the music. All that Lester Bangs "energy" talk is lost on me. I just don't get it - not with those guys.
"troggy" who used to post on BCB a bit won me over to the Troggs back in my Classic Rock Forums days. if they are "one hit wonders" then so are the Easybeats and I like them too. not all those singles are great but many have a lot going for them - fuzz bass or a nasty guitar lick or something. I warmed to those guys when I was listening to Dukes of Stratosfear and Plasticland and bands like that. I think maybe they copped a few things from the Troggs that were worth copping.
Sneelock Beats a Dead Horse of the Day: back to the Yardbirds. come on. take out your "men in black" pen that wipes out your memory of "Roger the Engineer" - it's gone. you've never heard it. now listen to it for the first time. are you telling me you wouldn't flip out that it was an obscure gem? If you've flipped out over LP's by the Electric Prunes or Paul Revere & the Raiders and you say no....
I don't believe you.
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Post by Charlie O. on Jul 28, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
I'll stick up for the MC5. I'll grant that the second album was a misstep (albeit with a few GREAT cuts), that there are longueurs on the other two albums, that Tyner was, umm, not the greatest singer, and that they ended very badly indeed. But their best stuff is still insanely exciting to my ears, and as sneelock suggests of the Yardbirds, we routinely praise lesser bands to the skies for less.
(I ♥ The Troggs, too.)
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jul 28, 2020 20:47:33 GMT
Roger the Engineer is a great record, yes. Definitely my favorite. And I probably like Little Games more than most people too.
And I'm probably willing to at least entertain the notion that I'm going too far in the other direction. I think I'm mostly reacting to the fact that those who like them swear by them, as if they're one of the bands of the 60s. They're really, really good. Maybe even great. Better than the Stones, Who, Kinks, Pretty Things, Cream, Zeppelin, (Small) Faces, Them, Zombies? Not by a longshot.
I rank them pretty close to the Creation or Animals or maybe even the Move. The difference is none of those bands are universally exalted to the degree the Yardbirds are.
Stiff competition, I realize. But they can be pretty damned great without reaching the levels that many claim they do. And that's where I think the truth lies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 7:09:43 GMT
They're better than Cream though!
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 29, 2020 7:21:22 GMT
Absolutely NOT!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 7:54:21 GMT
Other than 'I Feel Free', I struggle to think of Cream tracks I really like. What would you put forward?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jul 29, 2020 8:26:55 GMT
Well, 'Badge' is solid gold, for me their greatest moment. 'White Room' isn't that far behind. And then there's:
N.S.U. SWLABR Wrapping Paper Sunshine Of Your Love World Of Pain Passing The Time Doing That Scrapyard Thing
Sometimes I think the further away from blues they got, the better they were. Maybe it's not that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 9:17:40 GMT
I don't know all the songs you mention ( I don't do acronyms, so don't know what they are). But the ones I do know are..okay. Badge has a lightness of touch which is rare for them ( no doubt the input of George) but it's a decent pop song that falls someway short of greatness ( it's a song in search of a chorus as well as a decent lyric). It's no "Happenings Ten Years Ago" is it?
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Post by rayge on Jul 29, 2020 10:09:52 GMT
I don't know all the songs you mention ( I don't do acronyms, so don't know what they are). But the ones I do know are..okay. Badge has a lightness of touch which is rare for them ( no doubt the input of George) but it's a decent pop song that falls someway short of greatness ( it's a song in search of a chorus as well as a decent lyric). It's no "Happenings Ten Years Ago" is it? NSU & SWLABR are the actual titles. But generally, for once, I agree with you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:23:52 GMT
It's never too late to form positive habits!
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jul 29, 2020 15:59:49 GMT
There may be a few exceptions, but for the most part most of us probably like all the classic 60s bands pretty well. I certainly won't attempt to deny that I think it's the best decade for music (though I guess the decade runs from '64 through '73 if you get right down to it). But there are some bands that are undeniably important to the history of music that may not be "all that." Not talking about your Beatle-resenters, or bands you truly hate. I'm talking about bands that you recognize as being well-loved, and you get why, you just don't share it. For me they are: The Yardbirds - Yeah, classic guitar lineup, great rhythm section, huge influence on the British Blues Boom, etc. Do they have a lot of great songs? I'd say no. No great songwriters, not super adventurous with their covers, and probably the worst singer of any major British invasion band (though he didn't do too badly for a guy with one lung). The MC5 - The original "Lookin' At You" single is incendiary, and they were adventurous, added free jazz elements to the rock of the time, and played the revolutionary rhetoric to the hilt. For me they'll always suffer by comparison to the Stooges, and Tyner had maybe 1/10th the presence Iggy had on a good day. John's Children - If not for being Bolan's entry to pop stardom, they'd be even more anonymous than their ilk. Second-rate Who copyists, mostly - and there were plenty of bands that were better at that. You? Good start. Have to think about it.
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