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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 5, 2019 7:42:50 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 5, 2019 8:32:30 GMT
As much as I love 'em the Stooges are a bit out their depth here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 9:22:59 GMT
Not even remotely close here....Stooges...Pretty sure they could take them in a fight as well, once they got past Bonham...
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Post by Reasonable good Nick on Feb 5, 2019 9:28:21 GMT
The Stooges is obviously the 'cooler' option, and their oeuvre is largely free of the extra flab and fluff that mars some of Zep's albums.
But if you were to pit 20 track CDRs of each band's best tracks against each other, Zep might just edge it. I dunno, it'd be close.
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Post by rayge on Feb 5, 2019 9:34:20 GMT
I'm not as enamoured of the Stooges as many on this Forum, but I'd vote for Gerry and the Pacemakers over the other lot
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Post by DarknessFish on Feb 5, 2019 9:40:35 GMT
If I had CDRs with 20 tracks by Led Zep, and 20 tracks by The Stooges, I'd have too much material by The Stooges and a shiny coffee coaster. You only really need Fun House and a handful of tracks from the other two albums.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 10:09:44 GMT
I'm not as enamoured of the Stooges as maby on this Forum, but I'd vote for Gerry and the Pacemakers over the other lot You've not even heard an album. Anyway, Zep obvs.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 5, 2019 10:34:19 GMT
I don’t listen to Zep or the Stooges much these days.
Stating the obvious but Zep had so many more colours and they had that light and shade trick down to a tee which is maybe the essence of their greatness. For all their lyrical clichés and occasional silliness (basically Plant) some of their acoustic stuff is genuinely lovely and touching and they combined experimentation and songs with a level of consistency that few of their peers managed. Listen to something like In The Light or Ten Years Gone, beautifully crafted epics that touch on something exotic, transcendent and Other. When The Levee Breaks is as heavy as it ever gets; Chicago electric blues gone cosmic. Godzillian in the very best way. Resistance is ultimately futile as even G knows.
The Stooges offered primal, rock ‘n’ roll simplicity like few others. Repetition, repetition, repetition with occasional, thrilling moments of release. A thuggish rhythm section grinding away like sweating navvies. Asheton’s elemental riffs compliment their singular brew perfectly. Solos offer a similar kind of release as Iggy’s feral vocals, especially when fuelled by the wah-wah pedal. Iggy’s lyrics offer a kind of minimalist rock n rock perfection that recalls 50s rock n roll. D-u-m-b. Something like Little Doll – a personal fave – is about as perfect as rock n roll ever gets. By the time you get to Raw Power some of this elemental simplicity has been replaced by unattractive and over the top “rawk” soloing and leather panted cliché thanks to Williamson. Something like Shake Appeal recalls earlier glories.
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Post by rayge on Feb 5, 2019 12:05:49 GMT
I'm not as enamoured of the Stooges as many on this Forum, but I'd vote for Gerry and the Pacemakers over the other lot You've not even heard an album. I've never listened to an album, but I've heard plenty of tracks, including the whole of The Song Remains the Same on a cinema sound system at a volume and intensity I'd never get at home – which is why I avoided listening to the albums, because everything I heard ranged from vaguely dull and blues/cock-rockery to utterly horrible. And experiencing them in real time, I thought they were trying to rip off the Jeff Beck Group's Group sound, which I loved, but without the quality of Beck, Stewart and Hopkins. Page, as a session musician who muscled his way in to the Yardbirds and was part of their disintegration, had always struck me as all technique and eyes on the cash (though he did have an affair with the wondrous Jackie deShannon, so must have had something about him), and had nothing to say to me. I know that people rate Jones and Bonham, but I just wasn't that interested in bass and drums (apart from Hal Blaine), just took them for granted - in fact I really have to concentrate to hear bass sounds except in a solo, always have. Plus I didn't like the concept and look of the band, and I have deep doctrinal squabbles with, and a fierce personal aversion to, the lead guitarist. I've never listened to a Gerry and the Pacemakers album, either, but two or three of their singles were not bad, which puts them ahead of LZ
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Post by jeffk on Feb 5, 2019 16:11:01 GMT
LZ is a bore. Who the hell would want to willingly listen to them in this day and age? It's a farce the contest is this close.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Feb 5, 2019 16:11:12 GMT
"oooh I don't like them because they're smelly"
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Post by nolamike on Feb 5, 2019 18:41:36 GMT
I don’t listen to Zep or the Stooges much these days. Stating the obvious but Zep had so many more colours and they had that light and shade trick down to a tee which is maybe the essence of their greatness. For all their lyrical clichés and occasional silliness (basically Plant) some of their acoustic stuff is genuinely lovely and touching and they combined experimentation and songs with a level of consistency that few of their peers managed. Listen to something like In The Light or Ten Years Gone, beautifully crafted epics that touch on something exotic, transcendent and Other. When The Levee Breaks is as heavy as it ever gets; Chicago electric blues gone cosmic. Godzillian in the very best way. Resistance is ultimately futile as even G knows. The Stooges offered primal, rock ‘n’ roll simplicity like few others. Repetition, repetition, repetition with occasional, thrilling moments of release. A thuggish rhythm section grinding away like sweating navvies. Asheton’s elemental riffs compliment their singular brew perfectly. Solos offer a similar kind of release as Iggy’s feral vocals, especially when fuelled by the wah-wah pedal. Iggy’s lyrics offer a kind of minimalist rock n rock perfection that recalls 50s rock n roll. D-u-m-b. Something like Little Doll – a personal fave – is about as perfect as rock n roll ever gets. By the time you get to Raw Power some of this elemental simplicity has been replaced by unattractive and over the top “rawk” soloing and leather panted cliché thanks to Williamson. Something like Shake Appeal recalls earlier glories. These are pretty much my thoughts (though goatboy is a lot better at summing them up than I would be). I honestly can't remember the last time I actually listened to a full album by either - it's been several years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:55:14 GMT
As much as I love 'em the Stooges are a bit out their depth here Agreed. The Stooges were a minimalized response to the fluff of Zeppelin and other groups, but Zeppelin was the one group that could balance their fluff with as primal, pounding rock music as the Stooges.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:56:45 GMT
i prefer the stooges but listen more to LZ these days. i also agree that the first stooges album is their best, whereas 5 years ago i would have said funhouse. 'raw power' never recovers from the opening track which dwarfs all that follows. i think i prefer III to the stooges first tho'. a draw.
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Post by loveless on Feb 5, 2019 19:02:56 GMT
'raw power' never recovers from the opening track which dwarfs all that follows. I could not agree more.
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