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Post by ~ / % ? * on Sept 26, 2020 3:32:25 GMT
The velvets have context for a punk ground zero view, there was so much music, a lineage and away had to be divined. Reed with his brill Bldg context, and Cale with his Dream Syndicate avant garde leanings led to exciting stuff, if only Cale had stayed longer. The amateurish tosh that is "Sister ray" is the mister werk or dividing line, either way you can't get the time back. !7 minutes of avant garde, punk, or just rock and roll...
There is a third way, and that is Hendrix. He would have happened regardless of the Beatles, just possibly in one of the other genres he was already working in. As the Isleys succinctly observed the Beatles' arrival would change everything for the early 60s rockers, The Beatles had two guitarists, but they had Jimi, "f^ck the Beatles and the British onslaught, they had Jimi". Jimi was already playing and making his journeyman's way before their arrival, adept and comfortable in the world's of rock, pop, soul, and blues whilst consuming jazz, gospel, and classical/avant garde. No pretending bluesman Mick, he was the real deal, not dependent on a British Invasion, nor George Martin.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Sept 26, 2020 14:18:56 GMT
What John Cale has been up to lately:
Kelly Lee Owens - Corner Of My Sky ft. John Cale (Official Video)
“I knew I wanted a visual for ‘Corner Of My Sky’ and having been connected to Michael Sheen earlier in the year, I dared asked if he would like to be involved. Luckily he said yes! In Wales we live by the sentiment that ‘If you don’t ask, you don’t get.’ And so a true welsh collaboration in the form of John Cale, Michael and I was formed. The idea for the video was changed (very) last minute by Kasper, a Norwegian director who I have worked with on my last few videos including ‘Throwing Lines’ and ‘On’ and it was weird, trippy and hilarious – the perfect combo! Michael’s performance alongside John’s vocals and the magic toaster portal is gold and something I’m very happy to have out in the world.”
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Sept 27, 2020 12:58:08 GMT
At the same time, they weren't terrible (except for Ringo) but they didn't set the world alight with their instrument playing? McCartney is regarded as one of the best and most innovative bassists of his generation. You are right to a degree though. They weren't flashy players who built their reputation on their instrumental prowess. They weren't Cream. Cause they couldn't be, the one thing George Martin couldn't arrange, orchestrate, influence to grandeur. They simply didn't have the chops. There's a funny Hendrix tune up moment where after some tuning up and noise he excuses himself for having just played the Beatles catalog, crowd laughs. Ironically Cream showed they could enter the Beatles' world despite their hubris with quite a few adept pop tunes.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Sept 27, 2020 13:48:13 GMT
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Sept 27, 2020 14:00:56 GMT
I hope you were in the right spiritual mind frame for that moment. Eventually, it will supplant any need for postmodern furniture. Many blessings.
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Post by npht on Sept 28, 2020 21:26:10 GMT
The Beatles by a wide margin mostly because of a wide variety of outstanding songs. That being said " I heart VU". The Beatles might be the better all around band but that first VU album I can never get enough.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Oct 21, 2020 21:38:51 GMT
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Oct 21, 2020 23:58:58 GMT
well, that means i won't be seeing it anytime soon, I am sure the BBC has it lined up for the UK
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Nov 26, 2023 12:43:47 GMT
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Post by adamcoan on Nov 26, 2023 13:00:15 GMT
Whoah, busted, mentioned in magazines and stuff and were in the charts. No mention of the twenty five minute sister Ray on the Ed Sullivan show ? I mean, Warhol was known, but i bet more people recognised bananas when they saw one. Blokes a fucking retard.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Nov 26, 2023 13:12:56 GMT
There is something to the Velvet’s myth argument though. Yes they weren’t commercial favorites, but a fair number of people were aware of them. If you read Creem in the pre punk years, you knew who they were. Rock and Roll Animal wasn’t Thriller but it wasn’t a cut out either, I had a few friends in junior high who liked it, and this wasn’t a worldly Manhattan prep school, it was a small prison town largely blue collar racially mixed school. Loaded, 1969 Live and Max’s Kansas City were never out of print, and every rock history book from the early and mid 70’s had at least a mention of them. Your typical slack jawed illiterate Kiss fan didn’t know them, of course, nor your John Denver mainstream kid, but more kids knew about them than second tier British prog bands or any German band not named Kraftwerk. One think that stands out to me is that there weren’t a lot of Beatles fans in my home town in the mid to late seventies. There were a few trainspotters, mostly the same kids who would irritate everyone by repeating Monty Python sketches. More teachers were Beatles fans than kids.
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Post by adamcoan on Nov 26, 2023 13:19:00 GMT
Well,kind of.
The story is, they weren't as coveted, appreciated and listened to as they should have been.
I mean, 100 people on average each night of their two month Vegas residency in 67, shame.
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Post by Charlie O. on Nov 26, 2023 17:06:02 GMT
I just very briefly scanned the article, but it's true that for such an "uncommercial" band, their sales were respectable. All of their '60s albums charted - the first one twice (sales were interrupted by the Eric Emerson lawsuit) - and undoubtedly would have done better if Verve had been better at getting them into stores. The "85,000 copies [or 20,000, or whatever number Lou felt like giving out on any given day] sold" line is surely a myth.
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