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Post by daveythefatboy on Sept 23, 2020 16:16:24 GMT
I’ll be along later with a scathing critique. Meanwhile... let ‘em have it. Some of our brethren really need to see them taken down a peg.
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Post by Sneelock on Sept 23, 2020 16:37:05 GMT
george is a pretty klunky guitar player until he starts that whole bottleneck thing.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Sept 24, 2020 4:58:06 GMT
Dear John Coan,
My biggest worry is that this will turn into a version of that job interview question where they ask your biggest weakness, and you answer with a strength (“I care too much”) - but it probably will. Still, here goes:
I’m going to start by highlighting “What’s The New Mary Jane.”
I realize that it is a track they never really finished or officially released. But to me, it stands for something.
In the past we’ve had threads about “shit Beatles songs,’ and I’ve always pushed back on the idea. My contention has always been that pretty much everything they did has something of value. A weak lyric or melody might feature a great vocal performance, or the spirit may be infectious. There’s almost nothing in their ouvre that is completely worthless.
But this recording proves they were human. This is at least one example in which there really isn’t any aspect of it that you can point to to defend it. You wonder how John got the others to play along.
I realize that’s a tiny crumb to offer. But let’s build on it.
Here’s something truly weak:
Yes - another late-released demo. But another example of them plodding through a weak song with no apparent spirit of note. So yes, they could make bad music. They simply had great instincts about what not to release.
But so didn’t come here to simply point out ‘shit Beatle songs.’ There are about half a dozen official-release tracks that I don’t love. I get bored with their cover of Kansas City, my mind often wanders during I Want You )She’s So Heavy). I never need to hear You Know My Name (Look Up the Number), I don’t really enjoy Hold Me Tight. I think the woo-woos marr the otherwise wonderful Ask Me Why. I sometimes forget What Your Doing exists. The lyrics on It’s Only Love are terrible. I don’t actually love all of the Abbey Road medley that much. I’m sure I could keep going...
Should I keep going though? Exactly what is the compulsion to want to see The Beatles taken down a peg. On the other thread it was mentioned that it would be nice to see people admit that they weren’t perfect. But I think that misses something crucial. I don’t love the Beatles because I think they were perfect. Their imperfections are part of their story. Part of what makes them the greatest band ever.
In baseball, a great hitter fails 6 or 7 times out of 10. The Beatles managed such an improbable batting average. So George Harrison blowing the guitar solo in All You Need is Love just makes me smile. I like that they were human. I like that Lennon wrote that terrible Yetty/spaghetti song. It amuses me.
Beyond all of that, I can point to a lot of theoretical reasons to doubt their status as the greatest band ever. But none of them actually bug me. Maybe their peace and love songs cloy for some. Maybe Harrison’s spirituality occasionally comes off as hectoring. Maybe they seem inauthentic next to their heroes. Maybe they never so much wrote deep songs as songs that indicate at depth. If you put a gun to my head and ask me to come up with authentic-sounding complaints... I could do it.
But I’m not sure why I would want to. There are so few uncomplicated things in this world. I don’t really want to complicate my love of The Beatles for yours or anyone else’s amusement or comfort. So sure - I can find fault if it makes you happy. But I don’t honestly think of any of these as faults. Just part of what I love.
Anyhow - I tried.
Davey
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Post by Crunchy Col on Sept 24, 2020 12:25:34 GMT
This reluctance to 'admit' Beatle-faults reminds me of devout Catholics saying 'it was God's will' when something terrible happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:36:17 GMT
John won't like this reply, but even their mistakes (opening a hippie clothes shop, broadcasting an avant-garde home movie at peak holiday viewing on British TV, employing Magic Alex...) tend to be more colourful and interesting than other bands mistakes. Biggest musical mistake? Not recognising and encouraging George's growing prowess as a songwriter. I include George Martin in that, as well as John and Paul.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Sept 24, 2020 12:43:47 GMT
John won't like this reply, but even their mistakes (opening a hippie clothes shop, broadcasting an avant-garde home movie at peak holiday viewing on British TV, employing Magic Alex...) tend to be more colourful and interesting than other bands mistakes. Honestly, G, I've devoured most of the Beatles books* and I'm fascinated by all of that. So yes, their mistakes were indeed interesting, maybe because they reflected the times. And they were writ large, because the group themselves were so big. * when I was clearing out my Mam's house earlier this year I found a good half-dozen old examples that I'd forgotten I had - some quite rare
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:46:17 GMT
But this recording proves they were human. This is at least one example in which there really isn’t any aspect of it that you can point to to defend it. You wonder how John got the others to play along. He wanted them to release it as the next single!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:50:46 GMT
I'll Get You is one of their worst tracks. Never once does it threaten to develop into a cohesive tune. The fact that most people have never heard of it (you never see it mentioned in those lists of worst Beatles songs) even though it was the b side to one of their biggest selling singles speaks volumes.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 24, 2020 12:51:33 GMT
John won't like this reply, but even their mistakes (opening a hippie clothes shop, broadcasting an avant-garde home movie at peak holiday viewing on British TV, employing Magic Alex...) tend to be more colourful and interesting than other bands mistakes. Biggest musical mistake? Not recognising and encouraging George's growing prowess as a songwriter. I include George Martin in that, as well as John and Paul. Yeah, maybe their biggest artistic mistake was not giving George’s songs around 1969 the respect they deserved.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Sept 24, 2020 13:02:42 GMT
I'll Get You is one of their worst tracks. Never once does it threaten to develop into a cohesive tune. The fact that most people have never heard of it (you never see it mentioned in those lists of worst Beatles songs) even though it was the b side to one of their biggest selling singles speaks volumes. FINALLY how do you feel, G? did you dodge the lightning?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 13:08:55 GMT
I'll Get You is one of their worst tracks. Never once does it threaten to develop into a cohesive tune. The fact that most people have never heard of it (you never see it mentioned in those lists of worst Beatles songs) even though it was the b side to one of their biggest selling singles speaks volumes. FINALLY how do you feel, G? did you dodge the lightning? I've said it before on BCB.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Sept 25, 2020 19:19:03 GMT
This is as good a place as any for a BEATLES OUTTAKE YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD The YT comments say Paul was taking the piss out of George (it's George's song) - see what you think:
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Post by Charlie O. on Sept 25, 2020 20:24:05 GMT
This is as good a place as any for a BEATLES OUTTAKE YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD The YT comments say Paul was taking the piss out of George (it's George's song) - see what you think: Not a song anyone would pick to illustrate George's growing songwriting prowess, I hope.
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Post by Charlie O. on Sept 25, 2020 20:57:04 GMT
But this recording proves they were human. This is at least one example in which there really isn’t any aspect of it that you can point to to defend it. You wonder how John got the others to play along. Well... only George did. I broadly agree with davey's post, but I could very happily live in a world where "What's The New Mary Jane" was never committed to tape. That said... I could imagine even that piece of crap being salvageable if all four Fabs had thrown themselves into it. Their uncanny ability to make gold out of some very dubious lead was always one of their most enviable strong points. Even "If You've Got Trouble" could have been something if they'd just put a smidgen more effort into the lyric and recording (there was only one take). Really, I think I like/love every other song mentioned on the thread so far. Sorry, I'm not really getting into the spirit of things, am I? I'll try harder next time.
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Post by Crunchy Col on Sept 28, 2020 10:48:34 GMT
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