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Post by daveythefatboy on Sept 24, 2020 16:41:25 GMT
I do think songwriting was given a much needed shot in the arm - songs became more immediate, the single came back in a big way, subject matter became more interesting and varied. I dunno. You would have to convince me that punk songwriting was actually a shot in the arm. Were it’s standard bearers really a step up from Jimmy Webb and Paul Simon, etc? Certainly not in terms of melody and composition. Maybe they held their own in terms of lyrics and lyrical subject matter - but even there, I’m just not fully sold.
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Post by harrispilton on Sept 24, 2020 16:48:21 GMT
What I love about disco is it doesn’t strain to be authentic. No one talks about ‘trilogies’ or ‘having the chops’ or ‘we just wanted to go back to beIng a live band in a room’ or ‘ I just holed myself up in a cabin and wrote the album in 9 days’ bollocks. Disco doesn’t seem to bother about all that superfluous shit that appeals to fans of ‘real music’. It’s just a big knees up on the dancefloor. Which at this point in my life is what I’m after.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 24, 2020 16:59:32 GMT
Disco had the populist appeal that makes some music fans boak. Good!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
I do think songwriting was given a much needed shot in the arm - songs became more immediate, the single came back in a big way, subject matter became more interesting and varied. I dunno. You would have to convince me that punk songwriting was actually a shot in the arm. Were it’s standard bearers really a step up from Jimmy Webb and Paul Simon, etc? Certainly not in terms of melody and composition. Maybe they held their own in terms of lyrics and lyrical subject matter - but even there, I’m just not fully sold. But how responsible was punk for that? You could argue that kind of songwriting approach had already died out by the mid seventies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 17:11:05 GMT
What I love about disco is it doesn’t strain to be authentic. No one talks about ‘trilogies’ or ‘having the chops’ or ‘we just wanted to go back to beIng a live band in a room’ or ‘ I just holed myself up in a cabin and wrote the album in 9 days’ bollocks. Disco doesn’t seem to bother about all that superfluous shit that appeals to fans of ‘real music’. It’s just a big knees up on the dancefloor. Which at this point in my life is what I’m after. It should also be remembered that disco had some great musicianship, particularly at the jazz funk, Latin funk end of things
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Post by harrispilton on Sept 24, 2020 17:14:01 GMT
What I love about disco is it doesn’t strain to be authentic. No one talks about ‘trilogies’ or ‘having the chops’ or ‘we just wanted to go back to beIng a live band in a room’ or ‘ I just holed myself up in a cabin and wrote the album in 9 days’ bollocks. Disco doesn’t seem to bother about all that superfluous shit that appeals to fans of ‘real music’. It’s just a big knees up on the dancefloor. Which at this point in my life is what I’m after. It should also be remembered that disco had some great musicianship, particularly at the jazz funk, Latin funk end of things Correct..but no one really went on about it much (a good thing!) Something like Earth Wnd & Fire’s AllnAll’ or KC’s ‘Part 3’ Musically those albums are incredible. The production as well is fantastic.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Sept 24, 2020 17:43:43 GMT
I dunno. You would have to convince me that punk songwriting was actually a shot in the arm. Were it’s standard bearers really a step up from Jimmy Webb and Paul Simon, etc? Certainly not in terms of melody and composition. Maybe they held their own in terms of lyrics and lyrical subject matter - but even there, I’m just not fully sold. But how responsible was punk for that? You could argue that kind of songwriting approach had already died out by the mid seventies. I think I used the term, “nail in the coffin.” I don’t think it was entirely clear when punk hit that the old guard was done. Punk hits in... what? Late 76, early 77? Warren Zevon’s self-titled album comes out in 76. So does Bob Dylan’s Desire. Small Change by Tom Waits. Hejira by Joni Mitchell. The Pretender by Jackson Browne. Little Criminals by Randy Newman is 77. Paul Simon and Stevie Wonder were trading Grammys. There certainly was already less emphasis on songwriting already. But punk definitely helped to speed that along.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 18:02:04 GMT
This is where our differences come through Davey I guess, as I find Strummer & Jones or Pete Shelley to be more interesting songwriters than Randy Newman or Warren Zevon.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 24, 2020 18:39:19 GMT
I do think songwriting was given a much needed shot in the arm - songs became more immediate, the single came back in a big way, subject matter became more interesting and varied. I dunno. You would have to convince me that punk songwriting was actually a shot in the arm. Were it’s standard bearers really a step up from Jimmy Webb and Paul Simon, etc? Certainly not in terms of melody and composition. Maybe they held their own in terms of lyrics and lyrical subject matter - but even there, I’m just not fully sold. I don't know if the songwriting was exactly the point of punk. The majority of lyrics were diatribes and rants.
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Post by rayge on Sept 24, 2020 18:54:57 GMT
I dunno. You would have to convince me that punk songwriting was actually a shot in the arm. Were it’s standard bearers really a step up from Jimmy Webb and Paul Simon, etc? Certainly not in terms of melody and composition. Maybe they held their own in terms of lyrics and lyrical subject matter - but even there, I’m just not fully sold. I don't know if the songwriting was exactly the point of punk. The majority of lyrics were diatribes and rants. Richard Hell, Tom Verlaine, Patti Smith, Howard Devoto, Pete Shelley, John Lydon, Jim Carroll, whoever wrote the lyrics in the Ramones, Vic Godard, wordsmiths/poets all
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Post by Sneelock on Sept 24, 2020 19:41:35 GMT
Please Be Advised: fange forget to mention that all participants will be required to dress up according to their vote for the entire weekend. those who vote "both" will be allowed to dress in plain "Lois Lane" women's office wear. A great number of young ladies managed to turn this simple set up into a scene appropriate ensemble suitable for either occasion. it's true!
so, please choose carefully.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Sept 24, 2020 19:42:20 GMT
I don't know if the songwriting was exactly the point of punk. The majority of lyrics were diatribes and rants. Richard Hell, Tom Verlaine, Patti Smith, Howard Devoto, Pete Shelley, John Lydon, Jim Carroll, whoever wrote the lyrics in the Ramones, Vic Godard, wordsmiths/poets all Yes to all - and I could add some. I certainly don’t dismiss that there were some real writers that came up through punk. But the DIY thing (as well as the self-contained thing that started with Dylan and The Beatles) did pull some measure of craft out of the equation.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Sept 24, 2020 20:46:51 GMT
I don't know if the songwriting was exactly the point of punk. The majority of lyrics were diatribes and rants. Richard Hell, Tom Verlaine, Patti Smith, Howard Devoto, Pete Shelley, John Lydon, Jim Carroll, whoever wrote the lyrics in the Ramones, Vic Godard, wordsmiths/poets all I knew someone was going to counter my statement. I think there were musicians who used punk as a vehicle for their lyrics, but these are the ones who saw a broader picture. I was thinking more along the lines of bands like the Clash, DKs, who used it to make political and social statements. You could say I'm making your point for you, and that's okay too.
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 24, 2020 21:19:39 GMT
Its not like DK or The Clash were without a handy lyric or two, is being political inherently bad somehow?
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Post by rayge on Sept 24, 2020 21:34:21 GMT
Its not like DK or The Clash were without a handy lyric or two, is being political inherently bad somehow? Yes. And you could say the same, with knobs on, about Crass and Zounds, to name but two. Or if you couldn't, then I will. And ranting is an art from in my eyes.
And then there's this:
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