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Post by wobblie on Feb 13, 2021 1:41:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure there was an Arthur Russell song in a previous round, right? Didn't make it long into that. This is definitely more my speed. 'Wheelhouse' I see thrown around. Blah... I thought this was much newer, till I read under the video. There have been a few! The one I submitted went down in flames. I will go back and revisit for sure. I think I have an album of his that I downloaded years ago on an external hard drive somewhere. This is excellent. Going to try to give the whole album a listen tonight.
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Post by fange on Feb 13, 2021 6:33:43 GMT
Damn, unlucky match up guys, would have voted for both of these over many others so far. A is excellent and under-played Isleys, cool instrumentation. B also has some interesting new wave sounds, kinda cool and detached at times yet drives along at a fine pace. Apologies to B, but maybe A by a nose.
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Post by T. Willy Rye on Feb 13, 2021 19:35:28 GMT
Close tie. Leaning B.
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Post by osgood on Feb 15, 2021 8:33:43 GMT
Both very interesting in quite a different way, and both calling for second listens to get the proper feel. I like the way three different parts are combined in A, with very good integration and noce instruments sound all along. No idea Arthutr Russell was involved in B. Third time he appears in this cup, and probably the most interesting one. I think I need to dive deeply in his works. Sorry A but this seemed a tad more inspiring.
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Post by oleandermedian on Feb 15, 2021 18:45:22 GMT
A is let down by the shouty refrain. I didn’t warm to B either. But as it’s probably losing,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 19:30:06 GMT
But as it’s probably losing, B
Er....
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Post by oleandermedian on Feb 15, 2021 21:33:22 GMT
Mmm you’re right... I was expecting my vote to level things out a bit but I can see that isn’t the case.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 15, 2021 22:33:31 GMT
Another fairly generic Motown track, competently played as usual, but with an unfortunate emphasis on the ugly fuzzy guitar. The harpsichord at the end livens it up a little, but it's a bit extraneous, and too little too late for me. I don't know how I've never encountered The Necessaries before, I've got a ton of Arthur Russell stuff, and there always seems to be some more out there I haven't delved into yet. This is definitely towards the less-interesting end of his catalogue, it should perhaps have some credit for being ahead of the game for US mainstream/indie sound, but it's a fairly boring sound, even with the unusual jazzy keyboard. B, in a fairly even contest, just for not being Motown. Are you actually for real? Just for not being Motown?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Feb 15, 2021 22:37:01 GMT
A
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Post by DarknessFish on Feb 16, 2021 8:07:49 GMT
Another fairly generic Motown track, competently played as usual, but with an unfortunate emphasis on the ugly fuzzy guitar. The harpsichord at the end livens it up a little, but it's a bit extraneous, and too little too late for me. I don't know how I've never encountered The Necessaries before, I've got a ton of Arthur Russell stuff, and there always seems to be some more out there I haven't delved into yet. This is definitely towards the less-interesting end of his catalogue, it should perhaps have some credit for being ahead of the game for US mainstream/indie sound, but it's a fairly boring sound, even with the unusual jazzy keyboard. B, in a fairly even contest, just for not being Motown. Are you actually for real? Just for not being Motown? Yes. We get a lot of Motown and similar, it's core preludin, and a safer pick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 9:21:20 GMT
We get more indie and post-punk I'd say, but that tends not to be seen in the same way for some reason.
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Post by DarknessFish on Feb 16, 2021 9:34:57 GMT
We get more indie and post-punk I'd say, but that tends not to be seen in the same way for some reason. I'm not convinced, especially if we cover 60s R&B and soul rather than just Motown, but indie and post-punk are more interesting to me. Not making a big deal out of it. Neither were great picks, it was pretty much a coin toss. I can't say it was particularly unique, given we've had three Arthur Russell tracks, but they've all been quite different.
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Post by rayge on Feb 16, 2021 9:47:55 GMT
We get more indie and post-punk I'd say, but that tends not to be seen in the same way for some reason. That may be true, but those categories include a huge amount of the 1980s and 1990s, periods when most posters here were actively engaged with popular music and recordings and were under 30, while Motown, and indeed 60s R&B in general, are essentially historical music for everyone but me (and I'm happen to stand corrected by some posters, although I think my general point still holds), and were indeed before some, including DF, were born.
Although I've come to enjoy a little of the popular music from the giants of the 1930s and ’40s as I have got older, I'm sure I have the same attitudes as DF has to Motown to 'deep cuts' of Mantovani, strict tempo dance, crooners, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 9:50:14 GMT
That's true, although I don't know whaat wider point can be drawn from it.
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Post by rayge on Feb 16, 2021 9:58:45 GMT
That's true, although I don't know whaat wider point can be drawn from it. you replied while I was editing to put in the second paragraph.
The only wider point I think I'm making is the one I've been hammering for a decade or more on various music boards, that the age of a poster is an important part of the context in which we discuss popular music, and that living through a period, with no knowledge of how things will develop, is entirely different from reviewing it historically, with the benefit of hindsight.
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