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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 25, 2021 11:20:55 GMT
Ray and Darkness Fish love it, of course.
But what about the rest of you?
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 25, 2021 11:27:09 GMT
Aside from the groundbreaking unison emphasis of certain words and syllables in the verses, which would later be used to great effect by the likes of The Beastie Boys, et al. it's a bit shit.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 25, 2021 11:35:02 GMT
written for DOT RHONE, apparently  |
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Post by bungo the mungo on Jun 25, 2021 11:39:22 GMT
written for DOT RHONE, apparently macca always loved a minger |
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Post by rayge on Jun 25, 2021 12:20:50 GMT
Ray and Darkness Fish love it, of course. Well I doubt that. DF's disdain is total, to the best of my knowledge, while I hadn't listened to it for well over half a century for good reason. The only reason I know it at all is that it was the B-side of the much superior Love Me Do. If you continue this series for every A and B-side, you'll be surprised at what I do and don't like. The strained and unconvincing lead vocal is rubbish, isn't it? The song and arrangement aren't much better, while the production, like every record not made by Joe Meek in Britain in the early 1960s, is total pants. Not a shred of amateurish charm or brio about it, either. Shit all the way. |
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Post by bungo the mungo on Jun 25, 2021 12:43:04 GMT
Ray and Darkness Fish love it, of course. like every record not made by Joe Meek in Britain in the early 1960s, is total pants. are you not a fan of shel talmy, ray? |
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Post by rayge on Jun 25, 2021 13:12:09 GMT
like every record not made by Joe Meek in Britain in the early 1960s, is total pants. are you not a fan of shel talmy, ray? Not specifically, adam, but I like/love a lot of the records he made with the Kinks and the Who, in particular. I just read the wiki entry on him to check what he had done, and what struck me was his claim that he was the sort of producer who aimed to capture the aspects of the sound of the band that he liked, rather than impose his own (or his studio's) auteur sound, like Meek, Spector, Phillips, Leiber & Stoller, Cosimo Mattassa and all the Americans I worshipped, which is perhaps why I overlooked him. I like a lot of the records he did later in the decade,too, although I'll never forgive him for Charmaine by the Bachelors, which, as a card-carrying 14-year-old, I condignly hated.
Also being a bit of a pedant, I did say the early 1960s, and the first great records he was associated with came out in 1964, which I insist is the middle 60s - my 6th-form years.
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Post by fange on Jun 25, 2021 13:31:33 GMT
What about 'Shakin' All Over', Ray?
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Post by rayge on Jun 25, 2021 14:03:41 GMT
What about 'Shakin' All Over', Ray? What about it? It was produced by a guy called Peter Sullivan, who was associated with no other record of note (unless you are a Tom Jones or Engelbert fan, and I'm not), and engineered by a white lab-coat guy. Great song and great playing by Joe Moretti (and the first of 40 number ones for Clem Cattini), with arrangement by the band, but an undistinguished production - at least they did not get in the way. |
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Post by fange on Jun 25, 2021 14:07:31 GMT
Ok
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Post by Sneelock on Jun 25, 2021 14:53:17 GMT
I'm tellin' ya, Baby - it's a HIT. a HIT I tell ya.
the kids are gonna be lapping this baby up. HIT!!!
(/Laurence Harvey as Johnny Jackson)
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Post by sloopjohnc on Jun 25, 2021 15:22:13 GMT
Quickly looks up "condignly."
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Post by clive gash on Jun 25, 2021 15:24:56 GMT
ASK ME WHY was a much better pass at this type of thing
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 25, 2021 15:34:31 GMT
I like it much more than I did.
I like the ringing rhythm guitar in the verses, and the strange/unexpected chord change ('PS I love you..') - modelled on the Shirelles' 'Soldier Boy', according to Macdonald (whatever 'modelled' means in this case - a conscious influence, maybe).
I'm not exactly a HUGE fan of that doe-eyed love-me bullshit that McCartney does in half of his tunes, and this of course is dripping with it. But as a musical composition, as a band performance (Ringo's tap-tap, backing vox especially), and as a production, it's pretty good.
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Post by clive gash on Jun 25, 2021 15:38:10 GMT
I remember Macca on the televised Tribute To Lennon thing in 1990 or so busting out a Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You medley to honour his fallen comrade. Nice one Paul!
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