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Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 24, 2021 22:13:04 GMT
mercenary? the Stones? GWAN!!!! Maybe without Bill, they should change their name to the Dartford Dodgers in honor of Mick and Keith's hometown.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 24, 2021 22:14:44 GMT
I remember angshu from (I think) classic rock forums. one of the first threads I really enjoyed him in was him asking why Charie was rated when he really wasn't much of a drummer.
by the time he was on BCB he was talking about what a GREAT drummer he thought he was.
I think it depends on the PH level on your Stones fandom. If you have a lot of Stones PH level then you just can't imagine improving on the tracks you've learned to love.
they would have been a different band with a "better" drummer. it seems to me he was the perfect drummer for that band.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 24, 2021 22:15:29 GMT
Some dude on the news saying the Stones tried out Mick Avory before Charlie - hadn't heard that before. Perhaps the wrong moment to ask this, but would they have benefited from a better drummer? No, we have enough history of bands/artists to know that despite technique, personal chemistry usually counts for more for cohesion. Just like the Beatles, their genius was amongst them not from any one of them, change one person, everything changes.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Aug 24, 2021 22:20:35 GMT
I remember angshu from (I think) classic rock forums. one of the first threads I really enjoyed him in was him asking why Charie was rated when he really wasn't much of a drummer. by the time he was on BCB he was talking about what a GREAT drummer he thought he was. I think it depends on the PH level on your Stones fandom. If you have a lot of Stones PH level then you just can't imagine improving on the tracks you're learned to love. they would have been a different band with a "better" drummer. it seems to me he was the perfect drummer for that band. YEs, Charlie like Bill Ward, Mitch Mitchell, Bill Bruford, even Keith Moon, he swung tight or loose, rather than a four-four pounder like Bonham, Powell, even Palmer. That ability to swing seems to have been lost and not valued/recognized by so many modern drummers, who are either full-on or nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 22:32:08 GMT
Perhaps the wrong moment to ask this, but would they have benefited from a better drummer? In that space and time when they came together, was there a better drummer around? Thinking of all those beginning beat groups, I can't think there was. The only one that comes reasonably close would be Jim McCarty that might have fit in. They wanted Carlo Little originally.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Aug 24, 2021 22:51:05 GMT
My mate Ashley's CW story:
My one and only face-to-face moment with Charlie happened to be at the Albany Empire in Deptford in '86, in the September, not long after the new college term started. The Empire was a 'stone's throw' from where I lived and it was charity gig. The 'Big Band' was gonna feature not just Charlie, but also the likes of Pete King and Annie Whitehead, and there was no way I was gonna miss it. It was actually quite thinly attended considering the amount of talent on the bill, and a studio-like space, so all in all it was a great gig to be at. I even celebrated by shelling out on a couple of over-priced pints, I remember. It was a pleasure to see him looking so at ease playing his first love, the usual minimal kit, stylish as ever. The mostly older crowd of Jazz fans had the good time they came for and then mostly filed out when it was done, presumably to get back up north of the Thames before the pubs closed. Deptford wasn't the kind of place in those days that anyone from north of the river wanted to be for long, so it made sense. Naturally, I hung around, since I was so close to my own front door and wanted to finish my pint. I noticed Charlie was breaking down his own kit all by himself, in the middle of a stage that was almost at floor level. I was still feeling 'the glow' after the show, my two pints were kicking in, and I suddenly had the now-or-never idea to go over and ask Charlie for his sticks. I walked right up to the edge of the stage and called out his name, he turned around and looked up at me. I knew I had his attention, though now I come to think about it, it was a bit of a vacant look. I beckoned him somehow to where I was and he walked over and stood right in front of me in his dapper jazzer's flute, looking me in the eye. I told him a true story, that it was my brother's birthday in just a couple of weeks and tried to express how big a Stones fan he is, and that it would be the "best present I could ever give him", etc. Charlie didn't show too much emotion while I was talking, but he did seem to be listening, and then he turned around and walked back towards his kit, reaching down to the top of the bass drum to pick up a pair of sticks. I can still remember my 22 year old heart racing. He lifted up the sticks in my direction and asked "What, these?" I said something like "If you don't mind?" or somesuch and tried not to overdo the excitement. A couple of heart beats passed and then he said 'Nah', put the sticks back down and carried on breaking up his kit. I stayed where I was for a half a minute or so, not sure what to do with myself, but he never looked up again.. You might say this aint a very nice CW story to tell on his passing but, it was still my moment with Charlie and I'll never get another. As you can tell from the fact that i'm telling it here, I never held what happened against him, as some people seemed to think I should. As Robin Williams famously said, "Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind."
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 24, 2021 23:17:37 GMT
am I the only guy who likes the story because Charlie says "Nah"? I doubt it.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Aug 25, 2021 10:44:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 11:42:36 GMT
" Does this mean the Northern Line has reopened or what?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 12:46:38 GMT
Sky Arts is showing the stones rock and/or roll circus in his memory. Interesting line up. Watch out for Taj Mahal! He fucking SLAYS it Aye he was good, there was a few funny things about the show. The first was vast vast vast difference in drumming styles between Moon and Watts. The second as jagger interviewing lennon with a look of "Fuck me, i'd love nothing better than to chin ya............you cunt".
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 25, 2021 13:07:44 GMT
The Jagger/Lennon bits are pretty awkward and forced.
I caught the tail end of this last night - I've never seen the whole thing - and Jones was clearly out of it and had been taken out the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 13:41:17 GMT
I always thought it must be a bit demoralizing when the band can't find something constructive for you to do during a song. I don't know if Jones could play the guitar (or if Richards would give it u) for sympathy.... or learn just the piano piece for the song, but to just stand there useless fucking about with a lock of maracas would be soul destroying if he wasn't off his head.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Aug 25, 2021 15:50:40 GMT
Watch out for Taj Mahal! He fucking SLAYS it Aye he was good good? GOOD?!? they needed to call the fire brigade after that final chord!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:53:40 GMT
Meh, he's no Johnny Greenwood from The Mighty Radiohead.
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Post by "APES BLY" on Aug 25, 2021 15:54:20 GMT
and thank fucking Christ for THAT
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