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Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 27, 2021 15:05:24 GMT
I agree with John's post, but I also think our points of view are reflected in being older and retreating to our wheelhouses more.
I used to love climbing trees as a kid, but I don't really see the need anymore.
I also think the glut of music is a bit overwhelming these days, as written in initial post.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 27, 2021 15:06:41 GMT
I'm not really bothered by all that "getting the record out of the sleeve and hearing the crackle of the needle" ritualistic stuff. I understand why many people take enormous pleasure from it, particularly as it connects with the earliest parts of our memories of music, but personally I've never been fussed. Music to me isn't an object - it's invisible to start with, so the physical aspect of equipment and the media has for me been a hindrance in all honesty. In many the digital dissemination of music is perfect for me - little to no space at all, but maybe that's part and parcel of why I have this ennui with it. I know that the physical media does sound better, particularly with solid state equipment, but I'll take convenience over quality because I don't have the space or the context (it would be impractical for me to listen to music loudly in my house unless no-one was in). I do wonder if people who grew up with iPods and the like will have the same Proustian rush as we do from vinyl from using a jog wheel or loading up an mp3. i tend to agree, but there is something aesthetically pleasing about a decent record player which makes you savour the experience more. Like cracking open a book as opposed to turning on an ipad and opening up Kindle.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 27, 2021 15:07:55 GMT
Well, first off, I've honestly never regarded it as a good sign that 'broad-mindedness' - when it comes to musical taste - is necessarily a good thing. In fact it wasn't until I started using message boards that I realised this was a shared sentiment among music fans at all - until then, I'd knocked around with people who were passionate about specific bands or genres, and dismissed anything outside their 'range' - and that always seemed right to me. All to do with a kind of pride, a sign of devotion perhaps. Single-mindedness as a badge of honour. There's a pervasive (and persuasive!) idea that everything is equal in music, and it should all be given a fair hearing, whether it's Fela Kuti, Nick Drake, the Feelies or Vivaldi. Concepts like inclusivity and diversity carried over from the workplace and society as a whole to the world of culture. But we're talking about tastes here - personal preferences where rationality doesn't play a part. If something sounds like shit to you then it sounds like shit - but you'd be forgiven for thinking it's a crime to even think that! I know what you're saying, but this is too binary for me. Sticking to one narrow genre just seems unimaginative to me, like going to the same place on holiday all the time. I don't see it as somehow more passionate and real. At the same time I've never felt the need to follow some dutiful path covering the history of music, there's no real sense of discovery or personal thrill in that. I'm an eclecticist who likes to go off the beaten track.These days I don't discover as nearly as many things as I used to though. I'm much more of a casual music fan these days. I'm kinda hoping you tread off the path, get lost and can't make it back.
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Post by bungo the mungo on Aug 27, 2021 15:19:07 GMT
i tend to agree, but there is something aesthetically pleasing about a decent record player which makes you savour the experience more. Like cracking open a book as opposed to turning on an ipad and opening up Kindle. yes exactly, although i've never bought into digital books.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 27, 2021 15:23:23 GMT
well, it's different. it's reading but your eyes are doing something different. it's a rewarding experience but a different one.
I don't know how the tomorrow people will feel about music players but I suspect that a love of touching & turning pages will be more of a fetish type thing in the very near future (if it isn't already).
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Post by DarknessFish on Aug 27, 2021 15:26:39 GMT
I guess my thoughts on this are as a consumer of both ephemeral and physical products, but largely the latter. Online is too low investment isn't it? How many great works are immediately great? Now you listen to 20 seconds of something on youtube while working, decide it's shite, and move on, never to listen again. There's no dialogue with the work, no attempt to understand what the artists were trying to do, just listen and skip, listen and skip.
As to eclecticism, as a basic principle, there is no rationale that works for me to say that any one style of music, recorded at any one point, has an inbuilt value or artistic worth greater than any other. Therefore, the fault lies with me if I don't like a particular genre or style. Obviously, I have my preferences. I like steak and chips an awful lot, but I'm not only going to eat variations on potato and cow every day. I don't understand anyone who stands there and argues that this music is factually the greatest ever recorded, and dismisses automatically anything not in the same vein.
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Post by DarknessFish on Aug 27, 2021 15:32:25 GMT
The glut of music, and how to find the good stuff is a real problem though, I have to admit that. The sheer availability is a real problem. In the past you'd read interviews, work out your favourite artists' inspirations and influences, and chuck some money at them, hoping to find something. But that's where the personal investment comes in, too. Now, there's none of that. I don't have the time, and I'm familiar with all the big guns. It takes effort to find music that is new (to me) and exciting. It's one of the reasons I like the cup idea. Someone loves this stuff, there must be merit to the track....
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 27, 2021 15:33:54 GMT
DF wrüt:
some people enjoy painting themselves into a corner and then waving their foam finger. they like for everybody to know that they have everything they need - they've found it. they are done looking.
I guess that works for a lot people. so maybe "eclectic"(as much as I dislike the term) is the same sort of thing - part of my identity. I'm not saying it's better but I know it's a lot more fun for ME.
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Post by Sneelock on Aug 27, 2021 15:54:36 GMT
The glut of music, and how to find the good stuff is a real problem though, I have to admit that. The sheer availability is a real problem. In the past you'd read interviews, work out your favourite artists' inspirations and influences, and chuck some money at them, hoping to find something. But that's where the personal investment comes in, too. Now, there's none of that. I don't have the time, and I'm familiar with all the big guns. It takes effort to find music that is new (to me) and exciting. It's one of the reasons I like the cup idea. Someone loves this stuff, there must be merit to the track.... I think there's a lot to this. One of the most fun things about the 90's for me was that whole "High Fidelity" type Mix-Tape thing. people I barely knew would give me cassettes. I would really love or hate something on the tape then we'd have something to talk about. for a while I was getting a lot of "new to me" music from advertising but now that I'm streaming everything - I realize this is changing . Almost every TV show I "binge watch" is so chock full of musical choices that you can find at least a partial playlist almost immediately after the first airing. I love that! usually, I don't dig very deep past the song that got me but I'm getting to where that's enough. I've added something I like to my big ball of string.
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Post by DayoRemix on Aug 27, 2021 17:01:22 GMT
So, you really don't like Kraftwerk ?
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Post by sloopjohnc on Aug 27, 2021 19:52:45 GMT
So, you really don't like Kraftwerk ? Davey hated Kraftwerk and couldn't help himself when threads appeared on BCB. As is my wont, I couldn't help goading him sometimes.
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