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Jan 2, 2022 13:53:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 13:53:58 GMT
You can't dismiss the 'hysteria' claims and then add that last sentence. If that's not a hysterical reaction, then what is? I don't know what you mean. I'm saying people's reaction to events like this tends to be a natural thing. If you see it as an over-reaction then that implies you're suspicious that it's genuine. I'm doubtful that happens. The media played its part, for sure, but people were shocked and upset and that isn't at all surprising. I'm saying if people were committing suicide over it than that would seem a textbook example of a hysterical reaction.
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Jan 2, 2022 14:00:29 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Jan 2, 2022 14:00:29 GMT
I wouldn't use the word 'hysterical' if someone killed themselves because of grief, no matter how surprising or 'misplaced' it was.
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Jan 2, 2022 14:03:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:03:03 GMT
I wouldn't use the word 'hysterical' if someone killed themselves because of grief, no matter how surprising or 'misplaced' it was. You don't differentiate between someone you know closely, like a partner or parent, and a celebrity you've never met?
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Blair
Jan 2, 2022 14:05:02 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Jan 2, 2022 14:05:02 GMT
Of course I do.
I'm saying it's a tricky matter because if someone's broken up about something, then that's the way they feel. The idea that their feelings are fake (which is what some commentators suggest) doesn't sit well with me. You wouldn't go as far as killing yourself if you didn't really feel upset. Surely that much is obvious?
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Jan 2, 2022 14:07:34 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Jan 2, 2022 14:07:34 GMT
And the reason there was so much scepticism over this particular death was because she was a member of the monarchy - prime target for the Left.
Like I said earlier, we've showed EXTREME distress over the deaths of our favourite pop stars. Are these people we know? or 'just' celebrities?
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Jan 2, 2022 14:14:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:14:54 GMT
Of course I do. I'm saying it's a tricky matter because if someone's broken up about something, then that's the way they feel. The idea that their feelings are fake (which is what some commentators suggest) doesn't sit well with me. You wouldn't go as far as killing yourself if you didn't really feel upset. Surely that much is obvious? I think there's a middle ground between a genuine sadness and something that is manufactured though. I'm not saying people didn't feel enormous sadness, but the extent and intensity of the mourning certainly felt media driven. The point where one stops being a genuine emotion and becomes instead something media constructed is impossible to determine, hence Baudrillard's concept of 'hyperreality'.
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Jan 2, 2022 14:18:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:18:13 GMT
It might be a boring 'apolitical' response but it WAS a shock, remember. I mean, she died as a result of a car crash in a tunnel in Paris after being chased by paparazzi - she was only 36. 'People's Princess' or not, if we'd experienced this happening to Bowie or someone then there'd be all sorts of OTT shite, just the same. Pretty soon after the incident you started to get this line about the grief being 'media fabricated' and how the public's reaction was 'hysterical' and that's what we've heard ever since. If not, then you're a Daily Mail reader or some such bullshit. Your reaction is your reaction. The suicide rate went up by quite a bit in the UK as a direct result. It was a terrible thing. Me and my family were living out in Italy at the time and when I went through to tell my mum that she had died she lambasted me for saying silly things.....it was a seriously shocking event..... I also remember the Italians all hunched over their televisions watching the funeral as we traipsed down the stairs with our stuff to go on a picnic without a care in the world (what can I say my family weren't exactly fans of the crown but think it was perhaps their stoicism as well or maybe not wanting to b holed up with young kids in a flat in a strange city).....we got some strange looks but that was nothing new.... Point is that I don't agree with Peter Hitchens (he's hit and miss for me) that we became less stoic....even the Italians seemed fascinated by the whole theatre. Maybe this was the moment that celebrity culture becomes so ubiquitous that after that, famous people dying was just another storyline for the media to sell.
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Jan 2, 2022 14:19:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:19:27 GMT
On another note its strange how linked Tony Blair and the death of Princess Di have become....
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Jan 2, 2022 14:32:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:32:41 GMT
It might be a boring 'apolitical' response but it WAS a shock, remember. I mean, she died as a result of a car crash in a tunnel in Paris after being chased by paparazzi - she was only 36. 'People's Princess' or not, if we'd experienced this happening to Bowie or someone then there'd be all sorts of OTT shite, just the same. Pretty soon after the incident you started to get this line about the grief being 'media fabricated' and how the public's reaction was 'hysterical' and that's what we've heard ever since. If not, then you're a Daily Mail reader or some such bullshit. Your reaction is your reaction. The suicide rate went up by quite a bit in the UK as a direct result. It was a terrible thing. Me and my family were living out in Italy at the time and when I went through to tell my mum that she had died she lambasted me for saying silly things.....it was a seriously shocking event..... I also remember the Italians all hunched over their televisions watching the funeral as we traipsed down the stairs with our stuff to go on a picnic without a care in the world (what can I say my family weren't exactly fans of the crown but think it was perhaps their stoicism as well or maybe not wanting to b holed up with young kids in a flat in a strange city).....we got some strange looks but that was nothing new.... Point is that I don't agree with Peter Hitchens (he's hit and miss for me) that we became less stoic.... Many,many people reacted in a similar way. But you won't find archive tv footage of people looking 'stoic'. And that's the point I guess. The mass grieving was performative (which isn't the same thing as saying it wasn't genuine), played and enabled by mass media, whereas the huge range of other responses that people felt had no such public platform. And the result of that is we now have that as the major and simplified narrative of how the British public felt, whereas the reality was a lot more complex.
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Jan 2, 2022 14:36:33 GMT
Post by wobblie on Jan 2, 2022 14:36:33 GMT
I was in an emergency room waiting area after a fall while hiking in Colorado on the night of her death. Nothing too serious, just needed some stitches. I remember the anger in the room when the news about her death came on TV, primarily from an old black guy because the Oakland A's game had been preempted.
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