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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 9:55:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 10:22:35 GMT
Madonna, who is 63 (but looks 30 years younger), got the very same backlash when she posted (now deleted) shots of herself on Instagram wearing fishnets and writhing, Botticelli-esque, atop a bed, and again when she sashayed down the runway at the MTV’s Video Music Awards ceremony in September last year – a move which, in my opinion, proved that her bottom deserves an award all of its own.
Oh , deary me. These things are treated as some sort of major event. What a world.
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Post by oh oooh on May 11, 2022 10:26:23 GMT
you don't NEED to react to it
they're exhibitionists who had their day in the sun many years ago
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 10:30:44 GMT
Of course but it's encouraged too and that's the interesting thing to me. This is seen as empowering, liberating rather than needy and tragic.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 10:31:17 GMT
Madonna, who is 63 (but looks 30 years younger), got the very same backlash when she posted (now deleted) shots of herself on Instagram wearing fishnets and writhing, Botticelli-esque, atop a bed, and again when she sashayed down the runway at the MTV’s Video Music Awards ceremony in September last year – a move which, in my opinion, proved that her bottom deserves an award all of its own. Oh , deary me. These things are treated as some sort of major event. What a world. Madonna is a MESS these days. The surgery is getting worse. She's going to end up in a helluva state.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 10:33:23 GMT
It's funny cos to so many Madonna is a hero (I'm a fan btw and have seen her) but you see stuff like this and it humanises them to the point where you see, in essence, what they are....an insecure attention seeker who desperately wants to be noticed and liked and who can't just retire and grow old gracefully. It's sad, almost pitiful.
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Post by rayge on May 11, 2022 10:52:09 GMT
Of course but it's encouraged too and that's the interesting thing to me. This is seen as empowering, liberating rather than needy and tragic. maybe she sees it that way. maybe she doesn't. I don't get why any of us are expected to care
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Post by rayge on May 11, 2022 11:01:32 GMT
It's funny cos to so many Madonna is a hero (I'm a fan btw and have seen her) but you see stuff like this and it humanises them to the point where you see, in essence, what they are....an insecure attention seeker who desperately wants to be noticed and liked and who can't just retire and grow old gracefully. It's sad, almost pitiful. Not trying to start a row, Dougie, but this seems to be a projection to me. I suspect that 'growing old gracefully' acted as a trigger phrase, sometimes but not always used by people who are embarrassed by older people they know and fearful of growing old themselves. Turning the phrase on its head, how many people do you know whon are graceful in the way they live out their puberty, youth, prime, or middle ages?
Just on a personal note, one of the few inalienable joys of turning 70, being orphaned and retired, is not having to give a tupenny fuck any more what anyone else thinks about what I feel like doing, or not doing. Freedom from the tyrrany of the superego, that sort of thing.
Be well.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 11:35:28 GMT
you don't NEED to react to it they're exhibitionists who had their day in the sun many years ago I maintain the right to comment on the news of the day. Especially on a discussion forum.
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Post by oh oooh on May 11, 2022 11:48:14 GMT
Of course but it's encouraged too and that's the interesting thing to me. This is seen as empowering, liberating rather than needy and tragic. maybe she sees it that way. maybe she doesn't. I don't get why any of us are expected to care I suppose what Dougie's referring to are the string of hyperbolic comments these daft pictures attract from followers. So although social media brings celebrities closer to their public in some way, they actually strengthen the bullshit that surrounds them. Sure you won't, but just try adding a 'you've looked better' to the nude Madonna pic and see what happens you don't NEED to react to it they're exhibitionists who had their day in the sun many years ago I maintain the right to comment on the news of the day. Especially on a discussion forum. Of course of course. But some people object to something they're not being asked to do, if you get me. 'Why should care?' - well, why indeed? nobody fucking asked you!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 12:32:36 GMT
maybe she sees it that way. maybe she doesn't. I don't get why any of us are expected to care I suppose what Dougie's referring to are the string of hyperbolic comments these daft pictures attract from followers. So although social media brings celebrities closer to their public in some way, they actually strengthen the bullshit that surrounds them. Sure you won't, but just try adding a 'you've looked better' to the nude Madonna pic and see what happens Yeah, it not only demystifies them, it highlights something you see quite a lot these days, which is people encouraging narcissistic behaviour and framing it as a good thing. The two then feed off each other in a way which makes me a bit nauseous! I mean I've always liked Madonna and she's made some mistakes along the way of course (that whole Sex book nonsense...wtf was all that about?) but in a pre social media age she still maintained a degree of old fashioned star quality that harkened back to previous eras. But then you see stuff like this and it is a bit like peeling the layers off the onion and not in a good way. You see this with other stars too of course, especially Hollywood ones. One time they were largely figures on a cinema screen or a billboard: untouchable, beautiful, unknowable but now we live in an age where we are not only more aware of their private lives (look at the Jonny Depp trial for crying out loud) but they take ample opportunity to remove those old school qualities by sadly opening their gobs. I've always had a interest in daft celebrity guff although admittedly less these days. I would always pick up and skim through a celebrity gossip mag in a hairdressers for example. Truthfully, I'm a pretty shallow guy lol.
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Post by rayge on May 11, 2022 12:48:08 GMT
maybe she sees it that way. maybe she doesn't. I don't get why any of us are expected to care I suppose what Dougie's referring to are the string of hyperbolic comments these daft pictures attract from followers. So although social media brings celebrities closer to their public in some way, they actually strengthen the bullshit that surrounds them. Ah, fair enough. I didn't get that. One of the reasons I don't join or look at that sort of 'social media' is the self-promotion, which equals advertising, which, as I may have mentioned, I despise.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 11, 2022 13:02:13 GMT
It's funny cos to so many Madonna is a hero (I'm a fan btw and have seen her) but you see stuff like this and it humanises them to the point where you see, in essence, what they are....an insecure attention seeker who desperately wants to be noticed and liked and who can't just retire and grow old gracefully. It's sad, almost pitiful. Not trying to start a row, Dougie, but this seems to be a projection to me. I suspect that 'growing old gracefully' acted as a trigger phrase, sometimes but not always used by people who are embarrassed by older people they know and fearful of growing old themselves. Turning the phrase on its head, how many people do you know whon are graceful in the way they live out their puberty, youth, prime, or middle ages?
Just on a personal note, one of the few inalienable joys of turning 70, being orphaned and retired, is not having to give a tupenny fuck any more what anyone else thinks about what I feel like doing, or not doing. Freedom from the tyrrany of the superego, that sort of thing.
Be well.
No row incoming. Very few of us are graceful or mature when we were younger obv but is it desirable to grow into it somehow? Is that not in some way something to aspire too? Grace...maturity. I have mixed feelings because part of me feels fly your freak flag high and fuck everybody else and I always admired someone like Vivien Westwood, say, so what's different about Madonna? I'll be honest, I just think there is something about older women who still act in a very sexualised way that is sad. It's a denial of reality. You can still be sexy and show a bit of flesh but getting your tits out in some absurdly photoshopped magazine spread like this in your 60s just comes across as desperate. pagesix.com/2021/11/25/madonna-leaves-fans-confused-over-butt-baring-photo-shoot/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2FYKPdRHH5RKJmFqqVuZJwLjjHfPAXaCVFKnoIclvrUXYkZC8PhR5i2y0Essentially she is a pop star, that's the thing, therefore as a pop star she was never really meant to age. She was meant to be preserved in amber at 33 or something and yet here she is still pretending she is 25. There are alternatives here. Debbie Harry (who has also had surgery) has grown old more far more gracefully whilst still touring with Blondie and making the odd record.
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Post by sloopjohnc on May 11, 2022 15:10:41 GMT
Before social media, these older women used to do a cover shot and a tasteful inside feature in Playboy and that was that.
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Post by oh oooh on May 11, 2022 15:53:29 GMT
I've always had a interest in daft celebrity guff although admittedly less these days. I would always pick up and skim through a celebrity gossip mag in a hairdressers for example. Truthfully, I'm a pretty shallow guy lol. Yet you'll hit the fucking roof when you see a celeb dressed in an expensive gown at the Met Gala! Remember there's nothing shallow about appreciating beauty. 'the true mystery lies on the surface', etc...
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