we love you promo

[bungo the mungo]

easily my one of my favourite stones tracks, but that's not the point of this thread.

look at brian jones. the common consensus is that the promo was banned because it mocked the authorities but i read recently that it was because of the jones footage. hardly surprising. disturbing stuff.



 

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I always felt it was cruel of them to include it. They must have known what they were doing.

He was difficult though. Fairly recently, I was reading an interview with Michael Lindsey Hogg and he was talking about the 'Child of the Moon' promo. Apparently Brian ran off into the woods on the shoot and never came back! That's why they've just got the one short clip of him that they keep looping!

[loveless]

They were never the same without him, and yet...you can see why he had to go. By all accounts, it was like the Syd Barrett syndrome where "Should we pick him up? Eh, let's not bother." becomes the only way forward.

[bungo the mungo]

Mar 23, 2019 19:21:42 GMT loveless said:

They were never the same without him

i find him compelling. only barrett comes close. jones is everything i love about music.

look at this. what a haircut!

[Reactionary Rage]

Mick and Keef get stick over Jones don’t they? They treated him badly, ditched the founding member, they were cruel etc

Perhaps they were but then what else could they do? The man became a complete liability and from everything I’ve ever read Jones also comes across as an absolute tool. A deeply unpleasant individual who people seemed to tolerate but few seemed to like. Maybe there was an element of revenge in there against Jones, a fuck you payback for his bullshit perhaps. Maybe including him in that promo looking absolutely wasted was maybe an attempt at a wake up call too, a look what you've become moment, who knows.

It's easy to mythologise Jones for his look, his style and his undeniably brilliant contributions to their most exciting period but we didn't have to work with the guy.

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Mar 25, 2019 11:01:48 GMT Reactionary Rage said:

Mick and Keef get stick over Jones don’t they? They treated him badly, ditched the founding member, they were cruel etc

Perhaps they were but then what else could they do? The man became a complete liability and from everything I’ve ever read Jones also comes across as an absolute tool. A deeply unpleasant individual who people seemed to tolerate but few seemed to like. Maybe there was an element of revenge in there against Jones, a fuck you payback for his bullshit perhaps. Maybe including him in that promo looking absolutely wasted was maybe an attempt at a wake up call too, a look what you've become moment, who knows.

It's easy to mythologise Jones for his look, his style and his undeniably brilliant contributions to their most exciting period but we didn't have to work with the guy.

There's some truth to what you say, but I feel it's a little too reductive and harsh. The interesting thing about Jones is he tends to be quite highly thought of (both as a person and a musician) once you go out of The Stones circle. Some aspects of his behaviour were, of course, indefensible and deeply troubling (I'm thinking of the violence against women mainly) but there is also plenty of evidence that he could be a considerate and sensitive person too. I think one thing we can agree on was being in The Stones wasn't good for him.

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double post

[Reactionary Rage]

Mar 25, 2019 13:34:52 GMT @madcyril1 said:

Mar 25, 2019 11:01:48 GMT Reactionary Rage said:

Mick and Keef get stick over Jones don’t they? They treated him badly, ditched the founding member, they were cruel etc

Perhaps they were but then what else could they do? The man became a complete liability and from everything I’ve ever read Jones also comes across as an absolute tool. A deeply unpleasant individual who people seemed to tolerate but few seemed to like. Maybe there was an element of revenge in there against Jones, a fuck you payback for his bullshit perhaps. Maybe including him in that promo looking absolutely wasted was maybe an attempt at a wake up call too, a look what you've become moment, who knows.

It's easy to mythologise Jones for his look, his style and his undeniably brilliant contributions to their most exciting period but we didn't have to work with the guy.

There's some truth to what you say, but I feel it's a little too reductive and harsh. The interesting thing about Jones is he tends to be quite highly thought of (both as a person and a musician) once you go out of The Stones circle. Some aspects of his behaviour were, of course, indefensible and deeply troubling (I'm thinking of the violence against women mainly) but there is also plenty of evidence that he could be a considerate and sensitive person too. I think one thing we can agree on was being in The Stones wasn't good for him.

Lots of bastards can be nice too.  It's a common trait in abusers. 

I dunno, I've read some really shitty things about him.  Even Stones like Charlie seem quite dismissive of him, as a person I mean. 

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But that comes within The Stones circle again (Wyman has a rather different take on things, probably because he's no longer within The Stones circle), whereas Pete Townsend, George Harrison and Paul McCartney have said, in quite lengthy terms, very complimentary things about how much they liked and admired him. You might say 'well, they didn't have to work with him' and that would be a fair point too. I do think, though, that it points towards a more complex and nuanced reality than simply he was a waster and unpleasant human being.

[Reactionary Rage]

People are complicated of course and can be both lovely and awful. Sometimes it's those closest to you who bear the brunt of the worst behaviour however so it would make sense that the Stones might have a different opinion. I'm not aware of Wyman's opinion mind.  Excessive drug use wouldn't have helped




"A friend of mine"

Pete Townshend reflects on the Brian Jones he knew and pop's myth of romantic self-destruction.

(Originally printed as part of MOJO's 1999 Feature)

Brian Jones was a friend of mine in the early Who years. We first met the Stones when we were still called The Detours, before Keith Moon joined the band. I spoke about Mick Jagger's effect on me on a VH1 plug-clip recently; he really was quite beautiful and erotic, even to men, I think. Brian by contrast looked like a pretty sheepdog. His stage movements were confined to an urgent head-thrust like a strutting cockerel. But the Mod girls in the audience (pretending to like short haired Mod style, but really wanting teddy bears in bed) screamed more at him than Mick.

He played very well, I thought, and played harmonica, too, in a slightly more country style than Mick. On Last Time it was his guitar that repeated the intoxicating riff-catch. He was musical, almost musicologist, in nature and loved to talk about music.

We hung out a lot from about 1964 to 1966. Part of the time he was seeing Anita Pallenberg. She was a stunning creature. I mean literally stunning. It was quite hard to maintain one's gaze. One time in Paris I remember they took some drug and were so sexually stimulated they could hardly wait for me to leave the room before starting to shag. I felt Brian was living on a higher planet of decadence than anyone I would ever meet.

Brian and I used to go to a club called Scotch Of St. James. Everyone hung out there. We were together when we first heard I Got You Babe. Brian was really excited and enthused by it. He loved pop music as well as R&B; that appealed to me. I hated snobbery, even though I'm sad to say I later became rather snobbish about pop versus rock. Alongside the gems there was so much utter shit in the charts at the time. I wanted to make a distinction. We sat together to watch Stevie Wonder's first UK show. Stevie was so excited he fell off the stage. Brian never offered me drugs. I didn't use them, and he didn't press me. I was not seeing my girlfriend much at the time. Had I been, he may have hit on her and I would hate him, but in fact he was always very kind to me. Very encouraging of my writing. He loved my first Who song, Can't Explain.

When we played The Rolling Stones' Rock And Roll Circus I was very upset about Brian's condition. I was upset at Keith Richards' green complexion, too, but he seemed in good spirits. Brian was defeated. I took Mick and Keith aside and they were quite frank about it all; they said Brian had ceased to function, they were afraid he would slip away. They certainly were not hard nosed about him. But they were determined not to let him drag them down, that was clear. Brian certainly slipped away that evening. He died soon after.

I was melodramatically upset when he died. He was the first friend of mine that had ever died. He was the first person I knew well in my business that died. It seemed to me to be a portent and thus it proved to be. I wrote a really crap song for him, Normal Day For Brian. He deserved better and one day he will get it.

I've become angry about a business in which people (especially the press) sneer if someone tries to save their skin by going into rehab after raising hell. This week my friend Oliver Reed died of raising hell. We applaud, we wait, then we nod sagely when they burn out. It's despicable. Oliver Reed should have been sacked every time he drank on the film set. Brian should have been sectioned into a mental hospital like a street drunk, not allowed to flounder about in a heated swimming pool taking @#$%& downers. If I'm honest I suppose I was one of the friends who should have called the ambulance.

Keith Moon? Well I tried. I thought it would be best to get him back to London after his two-year binge in California and rented for him the London apartment in which he almost immediately died. I had introduced him to Meg Paterson who later helped me. I had found a friend of my father's from AA who watched Keith for a week and pronounced that it was me who had the problem! So I know it isn't always possible to save the skin of someone whose number is up.

But let no-one pretend it's part of the pop myth. I told Jim Morrison he was turning into a fat drunk in 1971. I could tell from his stunned expression that until then no-one had indicated they might even care. A little while before he died Jimi Hendrix told me he owed me a lot. (He meant with respect to the guidance I gave him on what amplifiers to use when he first came to London, but perhaps too for my unadulterated support.)

These people were my friends. Brian was a pleasant and quite well-educated fellow. Really.

[quaco]

I idolized Brian Jones for a long time. Brian may have been one of those people who could be very charming to people who he respected or who could help him (he comes across as very thoughtful and intelligent in interviews), but could be a dick to the little people. I talked to an engineer who (before rising to the level of engineer) had been gofer/dogsbody on the "As Tears Go By" session, and he says even then, in 1964, everybody else was fine and Brian was an asshole.

[peter]

Its a little shocking to see the Brian Jones bits in that video. This was the promo! God. To be honest they all look tired. Three or four years of manic living. But its Brian that looks like an addict, chasing oblivion.

Does anyone know what song they were working on in the studio footage? Sitar, mellotron, guitar and drums.

Also can anyone hear John/Paul in the vocals? I've never recognized them in the song, is it a myth?

[Mr. FOLLARD]

Definitely not a myth - Jones featured on their 'Baby You're A Rich Man' around the same time

[Charlie O.]

And Mick & Keef had been there for "All You Need Is Love"

[bungo the mungo]

there's no photographic evidence of lennon at the 'we love you' sessions, only mccartney, although it's acknowledged that he was also on it.