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Mar 25, 2019 0:17:21 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Mar 25, 2019 0:17:21 GMT
It says something about how highly some of these old bands are regarded that the ex-vocalist of this lot is still performing to 'rapturous crowds' across the UK, doing little more than improvised chanting over a pick-up band. Maybe that's not fair. But I always much preferred them with Mooney. Now I've started this, I remember starting a thread about them here just a couple of months ago. But that was bigging up their very early stuff, before even Mooney joined them. Anyway. They were really good. Something like 'Yoo Doo Right' - where do you start? They jammed for how many hours?!? It's beyond music, that one. The idea alone is exciting. I miss being younger and seeing photos like the above, and covers like this: and thinking (happily) "what the fuck is that?". You had nothing to compare it to, it was alien in the best way. And then listening to the thing was not in any way a let-down. It transported you. It went way higher than anything else.
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Bringing ballet to the masses. Sticking to the funk.
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Mar 25, 2019 1:39:02 GMT
Post by loveless on Mar 25, 2019 1:39:02 GMT
A friend of mine bought Cannibalism when I was 20, and just raved about it to me ("Pete Shelley wrote the liner notes!"). It was a great introduction, because every song really seemed like its own thing ("Mushroom", "She Brings the Rain", "Mother Sky", etc.).
They'll never be the sort of cryptic mystery that they were then, but...in some ways, maybe they always will retain a bit of that.
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Mar 25, 2019 1:44:49 GMT
Post by fange on Mar 25, 2019 1:44:49 GMT
I miss being younger and seeing photos like the above, and covers like this: and thinking (happily) "what the fuck is that?". You had nothing to compare it to, it was alien in the best way. And then listening to the thing was not in any way a let-down. It transported you. It went way higher than anything else. Yep, same. The lightning flash of discovery gets harder and harder to find - understandable but still sad. The GOOD thing is, when you haven't played a song or album like that for ages, you still get the echo of that thrill. I defininitely do. I love stuff from both the Damo and Mooney periods; they both were able to produce stuff with the group that was extra special, from 'She Brings The Rain' to 'Halleluhwah' and beyond.
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Mar 25, 2019 3:10:01 GMT
Post by jeffk on Mar 25, 2019 3:10:01 GMT
Has there ever been an influential group in which the least interesting members were the vocalists? Not a knock on Malcolm and Damo but they almost seem like afterthoughts in the grand scheme of things. I voted ALL GREAT even though not everything they did was indeed, great. The highs far out-weighed the lows.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:00:21 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Mar 25, 2019 10:00:21 GMT
Has there ever been an influential group in which the least interesting members were the vocalists?
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Mar 25, 2019 10:35:18 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 25, 2019 10:35:18 GMT
I think we maybe overrate them a bit truthfully. They did some great stuff but could be patchy too. I mean who the hell listens to sides three and four of Tago Mago? The more experimental stuff can be a real drag and yet the best stuff is stunning and otherworldly and possesses real magic.
I prefer Damo as well. I think he complimented them beautifully.
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Mar 25, 2019 11:03:04 GMT
Post by DarknessFish on Mar 25, 2019 11:03:04 GMT
I clicked on the "just with Mooney" option, though it's not entirely true, some of the stuff they did with Damo was pretty good, too. I just think that they're a rare act where the more experimental they got, the less interesting they were. The Malcolm Mooney years they were a really solid rock band, and the further they drifted from that, the less effective they were. "Yoo Doo Right" is an absolute monster, it's just an extended rock jam, but it's just about as cool an extended rock jam as you'll ever hear.
I think that some of the later non-Can projects that members of the band played on (particularly Jaki), such as Phew's output, were better than many of their own releases.
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Mar 25, 2019 11:06:04 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 25, 2019 11:06:04 GMT
I clicked on the "just with Mooney" option, though it's not entirely true, some of the stuff they did with Damo was pretty good, too. I just think that they're a rare act where the more experimental they got, the less interesting they were. The Malcolm Mooney years they were a really solid rock band, and the further they drifted from that, the less effective they were. "Yoo Doo Right" is an absolute monster, it's just an extended rock jam, but it's just about as cool an extended rock jam as you'll ever hear. I think that some of the later non-Can projects that members of the band played on (particularly Jaki), such as Phew's output, were better than many of their own releases.
They were better when they reined it in. Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, side one and two of Tago Mago.
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Mar 25, 2019 12:17:30 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Mar 25, 2019 12:17:30 GMT
and Soundtracks.
and Monster Movie.
so much Can stuff missing from youtube - think it's a UA thing. Pointless, really. I thought it had been established that taking an artist's music off the site is detrimental to all parties. Did you notice loads of classic Dylan finally went up there a couple of weeks ago?
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Mar 25, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
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Post by tory on Mar 25, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
The earlier stuff is great, but not magical. There isn't that feeling of ubiquity that you get with Tago Mago and beyond. I prefer Mooney as a vocalist, but Damo was/is unique and I think this tone fitted the band more. Paperhouse for example.
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Mar 25, 2019 13:18:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 13:18:52 GMT
I think we maybe overrate them a bit truthfully. They did some great stuff but could be patchy too. I mean who the hell listens to sides three and four of Tago Mago? The more experimental stuff can be a real drag and yet the best stuff is stunning and otherworldly and possesses real magic. I prefer Damo as well. I think he complimented them beautifully. I agree with this word for word. I think I discovered them a bit too late to get a real passion for them. And if I'm really honest, the fact they became the pet band of a certain kind of music snob, put me off them a bit, it took away some of the magic. But there are some great things there and I love Jaki Liebezeit.
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Mar 25, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Mar 25, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
yeah they just need a wee bit more WAGNER and a touch of SHALAMAR
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Mar 25, 2019 13:59:36 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 25, 2019 13:59:36 GMT
That reminds me, I must update my OPERA thread.
Did I tell you I'm off to watch the Met version of Die Walkure next week, John?
I've taken the day off work too! Braw.
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Mar 25, 2019 14:06:46 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Mar 25, 2019 14:06:46 GMT
you off to the Old Smoke, D?
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Mar 25, 2019 14:07:52 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 25, 2019 14:07:52 GMT
Nah, there's a live screening from the New York met at the Cameo at midday.
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