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Post by tory on Aug 17, 2023 19:51:08 GMT
Yes or No.
Thrash it out here.
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Post by adamcoan on Aug 17, 2023 20:01:19 GMT
No. This will quickly become about standards, personal opinions/preferences and education.
Culture is a fluid, personal changing concept.
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Post by tory on Aug 17, 2023 20:06:15 GMT
What is the very best of our culture right now?
Music Film Painting Sculpture Fiction Exhibition Philosophy
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 17, 2023 20:19:07 GMT
Tik tok?
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Post by adamcoan on Aug 17, 2023 20:19:37 GMT
What is the very best of our culture right now? Music Film Painting Sculpture Fiction Exhibition Philosophy Do you mean British culture specifically ?
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Post by tory on Aug 17, 2023 20:26:35 GMT
Nope, Western
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Post by davey on Aug 17, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
“Decline” is subjective.
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Post by harrylemon on Aug 17, 2023 21:07:59 GMT
Doesn't every generation think that the Culture they lived through is better than the current version.
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 17, 2023 21:15:16 GMT
Doesn't every generation think that the Culture they lived through is better than the current version. Typically, yeah.
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 17, 2023 21:31:01 GMT
I was hearing this 'kids these days have no respect' line from a teacher today 'cos a student was lying across the benches in the common room trying to get some kip. Apparently this is something you see more often in 2023.
I mean....do some fucking thinking, why don't you?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 17, 2023 21:58:55 GMT
Yes.
Civilisations and their culture have life cycles. I increasingly think this process is like something organic that grows, peaks and then slowly dies but it has some kind of recognisable pattern and internal logic to it. A period of great inspiration, energy and genius at the beginning that lasts a while before dissipating and cooling. In the west this probably started around the renaissance and lasted until roughly the 19th century/early 20th century. After that things start to change. You see it with art how it started to deconstruct itself. This is like the final stage of the life cycle where boredom and lack of meaning kicks in. Things unravel and technical skill is lost. It serves no grander purpose. The audience is no longer there. You see something similar with literature I think and also now cinema.
The pop culture explosion of the 60s alongside jazz was maybe an anomaly in the life cycle but that energy and inspiration has now cooled itself and is in decline. It only lasted a few decades anyway and as much as I love lots of the music made within that period you can also recognise it as being of a lesser standard than, say, classical or opera in the scheme of things.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Aug 18, 2023 8:02:19 GMT
In general I'd say yes. The main problem is everything has been done so it's difficult to produce those defining, awe inspiring pieces.
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Post by oh oooh on Aug 18, 2023 8:50:23 GMT
In general I'd say yes. The main problem is everything has been done so it's difficult to produce those defining, awe inspiring pieces. That does ring true - but thinking about it rationally, how can it be? Wouldn't that be a strange coincidence that after several millennia of culture, we've suddenly ground to a halt? nobody has any more ideas?
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Aug 18, 2023 8:58:01 GMT
In general I'd say yes. The main problem is everything has been done so it's difficult to produce those defining, awe inspiring pieces. That does ring true - but thinking about it rationally, how can it be? Wouldn't that be a strange coincidence that after several millennia of culture, we've suddenly ground to a halt? nobody has any more ideas? Well one thing you have to consider is that electronic communication fundamentally changed the way art communicated. In the 17th century it would take something like 50 - 100 years for technical innovations to be fully understood and incorporated into art. From the 20th century onwards that all changed (although the process began in the 19th century), ideas were eaten up and regurgitated at an increasingly faster rate. You could compare it to using up fossil fuels until there's nothing left.
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Post by adamcoan on Aug 18, 2023 9:11:05 GMT
Culture is an umbrella term. How we communicate and it's impact is part of the process. I think in the U.K especially, culture is a hot potato, mixed in with definitions of British values. The brexit debate talked about our culture and the division of opinions on both were staggering.
Living abroad, culture is a living breathing entity. It is easily recognised, practiced and praised. Is it in decline ? If anything it is experiencing a renaissance.
did you see what I did there ?
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