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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 19, 2023 12:50:49 GMT
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Post by tory on Sept 19, 2023 13:47:12 GMT
The conflation of uncertain historical evidence to fit a certain, agreeable narrative is not exactly new. Historians have done this for centuries and will continue to do so in the future.
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Post by davey on Sept 19, 2023 13:54:07 GMT
The conflation of uncertain historical evidence to fit a certain, agreeable narrative is not exactly new. Historians have done this for centuries and will continue to do so in the future. ChatGPT Toby says: “Engaging in a discussion about Stonehenge's builders should be grounded in archaeological evidence rather than dismissing theories solely based on race. Archaeologists are continually researching and refining our understanding of ancient civilizations. It's essential to encourage respectful and informed dialogue while considering all available evidence and expert opinions.”
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Post by davey on Sept 19, 2023 14:34:19 GMT
I can’t quite get ChatGPT Dougie as angry and dismissive as the real Dougie, but I asked him if he’d restate his arguments in a more flatulent manner. He responded:
“Certainly! Here's a more emphatic restatement of the reasons to be skeptical of the "Stonehenge ideology" theory, which claims that Stonehenge was built by black people:
1. The audacious absence of archaeological substantiation: Astonishingly, this theory stands on shaky ground as it fails to produce any compelling archaeological evidence. Despite rigorous investigations at Stonehenge, no definitive proof has emerged linking its construction to a specific racial or ethnic group.
2.The cryptic void of historical validation: Stonehenge's antiquity predates the existence of written historical records in the region. Consequently, there is an utter dearth of documented accounts or writings that would corroborate this theory. The shadowy history surrounding the builders of Stonehenge remains an enigma.
3. The formidable intricacy of construction: The erection of Stonehenge represents an awe-inspiring architectural marvel, necessitating an exceptional degree of knowledge, skill, and coordination. Reducing it to the work of a singular racial or ethnic identity overlooks the possibility of diverse groups contributing to its creation.
4. The peril of anachronistic thinking: Imposing modern concepts of race and ethnicity onto ancient civilizations presents a profound dilemma. Such anachronistic interpretations might not only be irrelevant but could also distort our understanding of the motivations and actions of people from millennia ago.
5.The ethical precipice: Associating the creators of Stonehenge with a particular racial or ethnic group risks perpetuating stereotypes and fueling divisive narratives. In the pursuit of historical and archaeological understanding, sensitivity and respect for diverse perspectives should be paramount.
In summation, the "Stonehenge ideology" theory's tenuous footing stems from the stark absence of concrete evidence, the shadowy historical backdrop, the monumental complexity of the construction, and the potential ethical ramifications. To truly fathom the origins and purpose of Stonehenge, it is imperative to rely on the well-established findings of archaeological and historical research.”
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Sept 19, 2023 14:41:10 GMT
Not enough "obviously"s or "clearly"s.
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Post by davey on Sept 19, 2023 14:47:28 GMT
I asked it to make a slippery slope argument about “this kind of laughable wokeness” leading to “decades of moral depravity” - but even ChatGPT Dougie apparently has its limits.
But I think ChatGPT Toby was pretty comparable to Toby Toby.
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Post by davey on Sept 19, 2023 14:59:15 GMT
Ooh… I might have spoken too soon. ChatGPT Dougie appears to have had a breakthrough!:
“Folks, let's talk about this 'Stonehenge ideology.' It's the latest example of radical liberals trying to rewrite history to fit their agenda. They're telling us that Stonehenge was built by black people. Now, where's the evidence? There's none! It's all about pushing a narrative, not facts.
This is political correctness run amok. They're using identity politics to twist the truth. Stonehenge is a mystery, but suddenly, they've got it all figured out – it was built by a specific racial group. That's absurd! We should be looking at the evidence, not trying to fit history into a modern political mold.
By pushing the 'Stonehenge ideology,' they're just further dividing us. It's not about unity or understanding our shared history; it's about sowing discord. We should be celebrating the achievement of the builders without getting caught up in identity politics.
This is a distraction, folks. Instead of focusing on the real questions about Stonehenge – how it was built, its purpose – they want us to argue about who built it. It's a clever way to divert attention from the issues that really matter.
And let's not forget the ethical concerns here. Making sweeping claims about the builders of Stonehenge based on flimsy evidence can be deeply offensive to various groups. We should approach history with respect and accuracy, not with an agenda-driven agenda.
Ladies and gentlemen, I've got to tell you, this 'Stonehenge ideology' is not just some harmless theory. No, it's a harbinger of moral decay like we've never seen before. You see, when you start rewriting history to fit modern sensibilities, it's a slippery slope, and it's taking us straight into the abyss.
First, they tell us that Stonehenge was built by a particular racial group. Okay, fine. But then what's next? Are they going to start rewriting every historical record, every achievement in human history, to fit their agenda? Are we going to deny the accomplishments of entire civilizations just because they don't fit the narrative?
And what does this do to our moral compass? When we start cherry-picking history to suit our political beliefs, we lose sight of the values that have held society together for centuries. We forget the lessons of the past, the triumphs and the tragedies that have shaped us as a people.
But it gets worse, folks. When you start dividing people along racial lines in historical narratives, you're sowing discord and resentment. You're telling people that their worth is tied to their ancestry, not their character or actions. That's a recipe for social unrest and division on a massive scale.
So, mark my words, this 'Stonehenge ideology' isn't just about history; it's about tearing at the very fabric of our society. It's about moral decay, division, and the erosion of our shared values. We must resist this dangerous trend before it's too late."
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Post by adamcoan on Sept 19, 2023 16:49:25 GMT
It was aliens man.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Sept 19, 2023 17:07:47 GMT
Sun Ra
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 19, 2023 17:27:19 GMT
Grifters
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Post by souphound on Sept 19, 2023 21:44:12 GMT
Anything was possible back in the days when gravity was weaker.
Obviously.
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Post by fange on Sept 20, 2023 2:41:12 GMT
Apparently it was the first 5G array.
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Post by DarknessFish on Sept 20, 2023 8:16:44 GMT
Anything was possible back in the days when gravity was weaker. Obviously. Same reason dinosaurs were so big, they didn't have as much gravity forcing their skeletons downward back then.
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Post by DayoRemix on Sept 20, 2023 15:52:45 GMT
Bigfoots built Stonehenge, end of story..Did some of them have darker fur? Most certainly. They were called "Grifterfoots"
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 22, 2023 19:28:27 GMT
Have you heard of the “black Beethoven” myth? 😂 You really have to wonder what is going on here and why target kids with this nonsense? Horrible Histories are pushing this crap too. Why does some Nigerian fella want to do this? You can’t help but feel it’s rooted in inferiority and maybe a desire to belong and claim a connection to a culture that is superior to his own. As well as a desire to rewrite history to suit current multicultural myths and narratives that people from certain groups push at any opportunity.
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