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Post by Stacy Heydon on Feb 28, 2024 15:33:04 GMT
Full list Four Tet - And They All Look Broken-Hearted (G) Beyoncé - Crazy In Love ft. JAY Z (JSJ) Fountains of Wayne - Little Red Light (davey) Broadcast - Before We Begin (dayo) Crescent - New Leaves (DF) Bonobo - Change down (freap) Outkast - Hey Ya! (goatboy) The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army (osgood) Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps (riggers) British Sea Power - Carrion (rayge) Videos start here: preludin.proboards.com/thread/6989/preludin-canon-open-1996-2005?page=9Will be back tonight with my thoughts.
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Post by DarknessFish on Feb 28, 2024 21:42:17 GMT
It'll probably be a couple of days before I can comment fully, but that's a pretty class list, from the mainstream to the lesser known. Given that it comes from a largely 60s obsessed site, it has to go some way to putting paid to the notion that it's difficult to find quality in the post-millenial years.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Feb 29, 2024 13:12:15 GMT
It'll probably be a couple of days before I can comment fully, but that's a pretty class list, from the mainstream to the lesser known. Given that it comes from a largely 60s obsessed site, it has to go some way to putting paid to the notion that it's difficult to find quality in the post-millenial years. For me it shows you can find quality, but not greatness.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Feb 29, 2024 13:28:15 GMT
I agree with this. I'd pretty much stopped following new music in the late 90's when the "poptimists" took over. I like my selection, but I certainly wouldn't put it up against the 50's-90's. There were good songs in the 00's and I suppose there are good songs now, (but I don't know about them) but the younger generations look for qualities in their music that is different than I as an elderly gentleman do, so I don't find them great, which is entirely subjective.
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Post by DarknessFish on Mar 6, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
Ok, I'll try for full comments:
Four Tet - And They All Look Broken-Hearted I have this album, buried away somewhere, but I never found it particularly gripping, and I've kinda forgotten where I actually kept it. This is pretty emblematic of that. It's quite pretty, quite inventive with its skittering drums and fractured melody. But it doesn't really do that much for me.
Beyoncé - Crazy In Love ft. JAY Z 2003 had it's fair share of over-ubiquitous mainstream bangers, didn't it. It's not a massively sophisticated construction, is it, but it does everything a big pop song should do. Big horns.
Fountains of Wayne - Little Red Light Ok, this is pretty much as bad as the band name would suggest. I'd say there's very little need for this to exist in 2003, it seems to be a bit of over-produced retro FM radio rock with someone going for a bit of Liam Gallagher nasalism. Pretty horrible.
Broadcast - Before We Begin This is another album I own, and in this case I absolutely love it, though I'd have picked the opening track, "Colour Me In", which is absolutely extraordinary. This is more typical Broadcase, those big crunchy satisfying drums which rattle your ribcage, hazy little synth lines beamed in from Paris circa 1968, and a gorgeous vocal line. I have periods where I love Broadcast or get bored by them, but right now, I'm loving it again.
Crescent - New Leaves My own pick, and probably still my favourite album of the new millenium so far. The Bristol lo-fi scene that revolved around the same handful of musicians (Crescent, Flying Saucer Attack, Movietone) produced music of real distinction and difference. This is a gorgeous melancholy celebration of a bright new spring day.
Bonobo - Change Down New to me, this one. Feels like some kind of post-trip-hop kinda thing with those beats and the low-hanging bass. Quite pleasant, but not really a highlight of the year, unless I suddenly change my mind otherwise.
Outkast - Hey Ya! Another proper pop monster that still gets played everywhere. You can understand why, too, again it does everything a proper pop song does. Sounds big, insanely catchy, has no flute.
The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army Hard to argue against it being a slice of unexpected genius, isn't it? A riff that struck some primal instinct in sports fans around the world. First time I heard it used in such a manner was "Javier Mascherano" at Anfield, I don't know if any came before him.
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps Another album I own and love. A proper limited band who absolutely peaked on a handful of songs. This is gorgeous, that chiming bassline, the big fuzzy guitar, and Karen O's emotional delivery, something with a real sense of humanity.
British Sea Power - Carrion Another band I own an album by, I couldn't tell you if it's this one or not. I thought their "Remember Me" was fairly brilliant. This one's ok, but I'm getting a tad more of a generic indie vibe from it.
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Post by DayoRemix on Mar 6, 2024 19:38:18 GMT
Four Tet - And They All Look Broken-Hearted Have this album and a few other Four Tet releases. I admire them as players, with their mixture of post rock and jazzy textures, but am never bowled over by their stuff. They are "Really Good", but not exciting, which is how this track hits me..
Beyoncé - Crazy In Love ft. JAY Z Big POP is like shooting fish in a barrel..Big production, hook chorus, sex filled video..IT'S A HIT! ...Never been impressed by Jay Z or her vocal prowess, which gets smoothed out to the nth degree..Some of Destiny's Child stuff is better, tbh..(At least production wise)
Fountains of Wayne - Little Red Light Inoffensive, middle of the road, vanilla indie pop. There were so many of these acts still around in 2003..Doesn't do much for me. Could have been worse..Could have been Bowling for Soup!..
Broadcast - Before We Begin My track. My love of their brand of Dream Pop knows no bounds. Any track from this album would have sufficed, but "Before we Begin" has this lush chorus that sticks in my head. Trish's vocals present an ethereal, otherworldly innocence that envelopes the listener, while the feel of the surrounding music spins a mood that allows the vocals to float and move..
Crescent - New Leaves I've extolled my love of the Bristol lo-fi scene before. Nobody sounded like them before or since. About this track, DF sums it up well: "This is a gorgeous melancholy celebration of a bright new spring day"
Bonobo - Change Down This Bonobo track is ok, but most of his stuff feels like Adult Contemporary Post Trip Hop. He needs to to toss a large amount of grit into his groove to remove the slick, empty feeling..There are more interesting purveyors of this genre roaming around.
Outkast - Hey Ya! Boy this thing was a beast. A proper dive for the brass ring by Outkast, which they snagged brilliantly. After releasing four solid albums and a handful of successful singles, Outkast came up with their huge pop crossover.Bold and incredibly catchy, coupled with a fantastic video, this touched all markets. Seems to have been their breaking point, though. But hey, it made them enough money to indulge dalliances into film scores, acting and Ian Anderson cosplay!
The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army They have a handful of great singles and this is one of them (Though their albums become slogs)This one is all about the dark mood set up by the unique guitar work, shifting the pitch of a semi-acoustic to make it sound like a bass and steady beat..Not sure how or why sports culture latched onto the track, but I'm sure it helped sell a ton more units..
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps YYY..When they were good, they were good. "Maps" is their masterpiece. A reworking of dream pop, with gorgeous vocal from Karen and deep, emotional mood. They don't always land as a band, but their are singles like this that become transcendent
British Sea Power - Carrion Have their first two albums. Solid indie rock. "Carrion" isn't the track I'd have gone with, though. "Remember Me" and "Fear of Drowning" are crunchier and more memorable
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 23, 2024 8:07:03 GMT
Like a few people I guess I've been putting off posting about these tracks. Not that there's anything actively bad as such, but taken as a whole they don't really excite. It feels like quite a random selection and there's not many things that you feel had to be there. the Outkast track stands out as a great pop moment and I wish there was more like it. I think this is the period when rock music is really running out of ideas.
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Post by DarknessFish on Mar 23, 2024 9:54:22 GMT
That seems such a mad thing to say when you look a the other years that we've discussed so far.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 23, 2024 12:22:08 GMT
That seems such a mad thing to say when you look a the other years that we've discussed so far. Clearly inferior to any of the 20th century lists. I'd argue there's even a slight decline from the late 90s.
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Post by DayoRemix on Mar 23, 2024 13:55:18 GMT
Bewildering..
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 23, 2024 14:03:35 GMT
What's bewildering is that anyone thinks that Crescent can stand up to the great acts of the past. But perhaps that's not your argument....? But then I'm struggling to see the reasons for holding most of these tracks in any kind of high regard.
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Post by DarknessFish on Mar 23, 2024 14:27:32 GMT
Well, music taste is always subjective, but you seem to be making a case that the music/artists themselves are lacking in creativity and ideas rather than just producing music that doesn't appeal to you. I mean, I'm taking a fairly detached view here, Crescent are the only band I absolutely hold dear from this list, and Broadcast aren't far, so I'll set them aside. But the vibrancy and variety of these tracks just seems unarguable compared to that pretty dreary 1991 list, for example.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Mar 23, 2024 15:43:07 GMT
I would say in general most of the tracks of the tracks lack real distinctiveness or memorability. There's also not much that can be called innovative. Even the tracks that are generally likeable, are only so in a 'minor pleasure' sort of way. They're the kind of thing that were it to disappear from your record collection, you really wouldn't notice it had gone. Maybe my argument will make more sense when I say what i think of each track (I'll try and do this the next 24 hours). To be honest I've put it off a bit because it's a bit of a chore to find much of interest to say about most of these tracks (and I don't seem to be alone there if the number of responses is anything to go by).
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Post by DarknessFish on Mar 23, 2024 15:52:49 GMT
Well, it's no secret that the majority here prefer old music. But no-one is really listening and commenting on everything, not just this thread. 1961 and 1991 were both really thin gruel for me compared to this.
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Post by rayge on Mar 23, 2024 16:14:29 GMT
Well, it's no secret that the majority here prefer old music. But no-one is really listening and commenting on everything, not just this thread. 1961 and 1991 were both really thin gruel for me compared to this. You were still in your 20s in 2003, no? I was 55, G (I'm guessing) late 30s. We had our tastes, likes and dislikes, pretty much formed by then - well I did, anyway.
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