HIT or SHIT big number

[sloopjohnc]

Apr 17, 2024 15:52:06 GMT Sneelock said:

I agree with everything 'freap says in theory.
in practice, I guess I'm just a sucker for Joey's voice.
the influence of Girl Groups on the R's was pretty easy to spot. I think it was a good idea to get Joey to do something like this when they did.

as for the LP, I like a lot of it. overall, I think Spector blew it. it seems to me that his job was to make a Ramones album that would be HUGE and he failed.  I don't blame him for letting Joey be a Girl Group since Spector knew a little something about how to do that.

I like it better now than I did then. "...rock & roll radio" & "chinese rock" go on the cherry picker pile. I don't listen to "baby I love you" very often but it sounds like it was a good idea to let joey & Phil get that out of their system.

also, I like the idea of Johnny Ramone having his leadership role negated. I love the guy but bullies need to be taken down a notch from time to time.

I AM sorry the R's had to die before they became as famous as Johnny always seemed to know they deserved to be. too bad he was such a jerk. PHil was a bigger jerk. the album was not huge and Johnny would never not be the bigger jerk again.

that's the way it looks to me.
spit. ding.

Ditto.

[toomanyhatz]

It was a noble attempt.

It's hard to picture a world in which early 60s pop fan Joey would NOT attempt to be a girl group singer with The Actual Phil Spector steering things - regardless of what the actual reality (guns, alcohol, megalomania, etc.) may have been.

I've always liked the album and thought the end result was the best they could have done under the circumstances.

I listen to it probably 5th most out of the Ramones discography - it's no first four, and probably not as good as Pleasant Dreams, speaking of albums produced by their pop heroes - but there are certain moments - "Danny Says" is a big one for me - where they actually sit fairly comfortably in the halfway spot between Spectorism and Ramone (at least the Joey side)-ism.

I probably don't ever listen to it for sheer pleasure, no. But it certainly holds a unique place in music history for me. So certainly it sometimes hits the spot, yeah.

More hit than shit for sure, anyway.