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Post by Reactionary Rage on Apr 11, 2019 8:52:09 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_cinema
Are you fan? Do you seek this sort of stuff out or does it turn you off completely?
Obviously in the last decade+ we’ve had torture porn (Saw, Hostel etc) which I’m not a fan of although I did think Martyrs was good but flawed.
Looking at the brief wiki list there are some great films like In The Realm of the Senses and The Devils in there. Irreversible was great I thought even if I had no desire to watch it again anytime soon.
From more recent years I loved Von Trier’s Antichrist.
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Post by driftin on Apr 11, 2019 10:19:05 GMT
I used to actively seek this stuff out in my late teens early 20s and I was duly rewarded with films from David Cronenberg, Gaspar Noe, Chan-wook Park, Takashi Miike and earlier 70s and 80s films like The Devils and In the Realm of the Senses - which I all love. I don't go out of my way anymore but I still think it has something to say, however when I see something like A Serbian Film, Hostel, or The Human Centipede 2 I roll my eyes. It's the difference between being transgressive - pushing boundaries but also having something to say about it - and simply being "edgy" - showing things for the sake of it, pure exploitation.
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Post by DarknessFish on Apr 11, 2019 13:23:35 GMT
I guess I've seen quite a lot of the stuff listed in the wikipedia page, horror being my standard genre of choice, but I'm not sure what links many of those. I guess that context is a big deal here, I mean, who considers Braindead to be an extreme film?Sure, there's a lot of blood and guts, but it's done for fun, there's no genuine attempt to convince you that the acts depicted are real; its over-the-top-ness is its comedy essence. Whereas Audition, the couple of minutes of excruciating detailed pin-point torture are properly horrible to experience, but its also within the context of a properly believable, well-constructed nightmare.
So, in short, I'm not entirely sure what I'm being asked to comment on. Over-the-top silliness, brutality used in context in a believable way, or shock-stuff like Hostel or A Serbian Film (which I've never seen, but has a pretty bad reputation).
I'll probably watch any of it, to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 13:36:57 GMT
I agree with DF, I'm not sure what links something like Mysterious Skin with Cannibal Holocaust.
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Post by alejandro on Apr 12, 2019 15:47:47 GMT
I like a fair few films and directors listed there, but like DF I don't know exactly where to draw the line. I take it that "extreme cinema" will usually refer to those films that use gore, scat, sex, and any combination of these and more to ellicit a reaction from the audience or use as shock tactics to imprint an idea or message on the viewer. But if the latter, do many exploitation movies and video nasties that don't assume to be more than schlocky horror films fall into the genre? Likewise, do the work of the Pánicos movement with people like Jodorowsky or Arrabal become a subset of this form of cinema, considering they sort of aim for this exact same thing? Are Uwe Boll or Requiem for a Dream even that "extreme"?
To all of the above, there's quite a few films I can think of that I quite like that I guess you *could* include in the list. Being as follows, for example...
The Devils In the Realm of the Senses Audition (and much of Takashi Miike's work too - Ichi the Killer, Visitor Q, The Happiness of the Katakuris and so on) El topo (and most Jodorowsky stuff) Viva la muerte! Chan-wook Park's Vengeance trilogy Sweet Movie Crash Pink Flamingos Emperor Tomato Ketchup
And so on.
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Post by jeffk on Apr 15, 2019 0:54:00 GMT
Out of the list Wikipedia shows,, I've seen them all but 6.
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